Talk:Twenty Years to Midnight

the day the earth stood still
the whole inquisitor plot is a referance to gort in the day the earth stood still, why no reference to it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.72.241.193 (talk) 09:27, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Template in place
Template's in place, but I don't have the energy or time tonight to do even a quick summary. IGNORE ME! --Boradis 08:27, 5 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Pf, worry not man. If it comes down to it, wait till Sunday and I'll put in the episode summary-Fix may not be usable, but I'll get off my arse and contribute something major again yet! Umbric Man 1:33 P.M. 5th July 2006


 * I think Venture fans have a new catchphrase to go with "Holy dammit Christmas." IGNORE ME! - DynSkeet * Talk 14:16, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Baby Rocket
You know for some reason Rocket kinda has a similar apperance to Thadius. Escpecially since the child has similar features to Thadius when he was young, as well as having red hair. Not only that but it seems Prof.Impossible indicates in the show that he wants a blood test. You never know... unless Jackson says something about it. Gwag 22:38 August 5, 2006 (EST) What do you think, about it?


 * Possible, but shouldn't be addressed in the article until something definite comes out. Did Venture actually have sex with Sally? I thought he panicked at her disappearing skin and fled in horror, then was left out in the snow shortly afterwards by Richard. - DynSkeet * Talk


 * THANK YOU. I never for a moment thought it Venture's. And it was never implied that Sally and Venture had sex, and frankly, I'm sure Sally got Richard into the sack at least once even if they had to argue over it. Note that the urine sample was from Sally, BTW; disguised as Venture's in 'Ice Station', it was Sally who was pregnant, not Venture as Richard mistakenly thought. And the sample was made before Sally and Venture even first spoke to each other. Umbric Man 1:25 P.M. 7th August 2006


 * Good observations, Umbric!--Boradis 04:16, 8 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks, man! Umbric Man 12:46 A.M. 8th August 2006


 * IGNORE ME!!! LOL anyway yeah that is all true and it is Mr.Impossibles and a parody of Franklin Richards Susan and Reed Richard's kid

My thoughts on plot summaries
Just to let you know how I'm writing these. I'm trying to hit all the major plot points without doing a scene-by-scene recap or giving away all the jokes. To my understanding, Wikipedia is opposed to full recaps, and I personally agree. Wikipedia also doesn't seem too keen on summaries even as detailed as we have been making them, prefering a one or two paragraph nutshell. However, later editors will come in to add their own touches, inevitably adding more information. I would suggest though that the place to list all the pop culture references is under Trivia, rather than the body of the summary. Long after the episode has aired, I believe future readers will value a more general overview rather than a point-by-point analysis. --Boradis 04:33, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I can understand why you removed some of my edits as not being 'trivia' and instead being speculation and analysis. However, why didn't they therefore go into a section called "speculation and analysis?" Is there some wikirule against such things in episode summaries?--Eric Burns 08:31, 7 August 2006 (UTC)


 * In general, speculation and analysis are considered original research. Just as a printed encyclopedia shouldn't contain analysis or guesswork, neither should these articles. (Obviously this isn't strictly enforced throughout the site, but it is one of Wikipedia's guidelines.) - DynSkeet * Talk 14:13, 7 August 2006 (UTC)


 * C'est bien. Thanks for the elaboration!--Eric Burns 20:16, 7 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Less time between this episode and Ice Station Impossible may have passed than we think, Rocket, being a super baby and all, may have some form of accelerated aging. Since other characters, Trianna for example, show no signs of any real aging (let alone nearly two years), this might be the case.--Jackelbeaver 10:46, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Unanswered questions
Many episodes deliberately leave some plot threads dangling, a case in point would be "Escape to the House of Mummies Part II." While it's done for laughs and I have no expectations that the creators will explain many of the bizarre side events in these stories, it might make for a new catetory on the summary pages. In this episode we are left to wonder:
 * How did Col. Gentleman die?
 * What's the captain's name?
 * What the heck happened to Jonny Quest?
 * Where were the aliens from?
 * Is Rocket really Prof. Impossible's son?

Thoughts? --Boradis 23:27, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Probably of lonelyness if the diary is any indicator... "Captain" Considering how Jonas reacted? Brock probably had to kill him :/ The land of one time apperences Considering how Mr. Impossbile said she was pregnant at the end of Ice Station and how the baby appears, it seems like Venture has a third son. 68.14.152.185 07:03, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
 * How did Col. Gentleman die?
 * What's the captain's name?
 * What the heck happened to Jonny Quest?
 * Where were the aliens from?
 * Is Rocket really Prof. Impossible's son?


 * Thanks, 68.14.152.185, but this isn't a page to discuss the episode. It's a place to discuss changes or additions to make to the pages. And you might want to register for a username so we don't have to refer to you by an IP number. --Boradis 07:53, 7 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Meh, I dunno if such a section'll work. We do get answers to the bigger questions, and some of the jokes are based on these being total left-field moments. It's an interesting section addition, to be sure...but I dunno if it's needed.


 * Fair enough. --Boradis 04:14, 8 August 2006 (UTC)


 * That said, Sally's son has to be Richard's, as we never saw Venture do it with Sally. Umbric Man 1:23 P.M. 7th August 2006

Overzealous Reversions
Okay, I'm generally pretty cool about things being reverted. But:

*The girl Jonas Venture, Jr. is canoodling with as Rusty breaks into the room is apparently the same girl Brock slept with in Assassinanny 911 -- or at least she is from a similar part of the country, having a similar appearance and voice and speaking the same sort of language.

was added to the trivia section. It was then reverted out with the explanation "Since this item itself isn't even sure that it's right and that she's the same girl, let's leave it out." I don't think that was appropriate, since if it's not the same girl, it's still clearly a call back to the earlier episode. She had a similar appearance, voice, and color of clothing, and spoke in a similar language. That's obviously and clearly trivia, and certainly belongs in the description. Let's try not to be overzealous in keeping the entry pristine, okay?--Eric Burns 08:39, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The best solution is to compare the credits to those of "Assassinanny," and let the show's creators tell us if she is the same character. --Boradis 09:09, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The character in this episode is listed as "Jonas Jr's Ibezan Houseguest," and is performed by Mia Barron. I'll look for a credits listing for "Assassinanny." --Boradis 09:25, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The character in "Assassinanny" is credited as "Island Girl," also performed by Mia Barron, who also voices Molotov Cocktease and Sally Impossible. --Boradis 09:28, 7 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Just watched again on another broadcast, and the girl in this episode has lighter skin and wavier hair than Island Girl, who is visible in this image: http://pics.livejournal.com/jacksonpublick/pic/0000f8ck --Boradis 09:43, 7 August 2006 (UTC)


 * The girl in this episode spoke Spanish. The girl in Assassinanny spoke... well, I don't know, apparently "Macronesian", but definitely not Spanish. - DynSkeet * Talk 14:12, 7 August 2006 (UTC)


 * My crappy computer doesn't have Photoshop or MSPaint to grab a screenshot of the episode off the Fix, but there is a very clear closeup on the Ibezan woman right after the captain explains his new job. Anyone comparing the two characters side by side will see they are not the same woman by any stretch. --Boradis 03:52, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Jackson Publick said over in his live journal that they are two different women. One from France one from Spain.

shorten
The plot summary is still way too long. Anyone else want to give a shot at trimming it? I wanna take a break from wielding the vicious scalpel. - DynSkeet * Talk 18:05, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll go shorter next time I write one. The thing is, the last two that I first wrote were much, much shorter, but grew to considerable length after I stopped. I have a feeling that if we write quick and to-the-point to begin with, it'll grow to this size anyhow. --Boradis 03:47, 8 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I think that's going to be a major struggle in the VB articles... everyone has a different idea of the ideal size for articles, and will always be lengthening or shortening them. I've gone back and forth on the issue myself. - DynSkeet * Talk 13:27, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

sound familiar?
Okay, I will probably take a stab at shortening the plot section today. However, the trivia section is getting extremely long. I have no good solution to this, since what trivia is encyclopedic and what is not is completely subjective. - DynSkeet * Talk 16:50, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Gun reference
The weapon wielded by Jonny Quest isn't a Wildey Magnum at all, but really a Luger, or atleast heavilly based on one. This is easilly seen if one compares the two real-life weapons. Note the lack of rib atop the barrel and the visible toggle-mechanism at the back(the two circular protrusions). So someone might want to change that. 82.174.227.7 05:47, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

VOR?
Another likely reference: the scenario strongly resembles the James Blish novel VOR, which is about the earth being judged by an alien robot, whose name derives from the three-colour beam - violet/orange/red - it uses to communicate. 81.132.97.165 23:50, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 06:52, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Goofs
Do we really need the goofs as they are now? I say no. Lots42 (talk) 06:49, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Heck, they don't even seem to BE goofs. Lots42 (talk) 02:42, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Spec
I deleted much speculation, including libel. You can't accuse real people of slapping people around! Lots42 (talk) 04:25, 2 May 2008 (UTC)