Talk:Twilight (Electric Light Orchestra song)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 05:22, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Removal of content
I object to the following two edits, with the comments This material is sourced just fine. Just read the linked pages for Daicon III and IV Opening Animations and Densha Otoko (drama). Per WP:PROVEIT I added a citation (which was already on those pages) supporting the use of "Twilight" in the Daicon opening and Densha Otoko. The song's use at Otakon is cited already.
 * remove unsourced, and
 * Half of this is still unsourced, and the cite doesn't support what is said in the other half

If you think the material still doesn't belong, we can discuss other reasons why. But don't claim that it's unsourced, because that's just false. --Bigpeteb (talk) 19:51, 16 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Ok. I'll break it down;
 * "The song gained cult status" - where does the source provided say the song gained cult status?
 * "when it was used (without authorisation)" - where does the source say it was used without authorisation?
 * "as the theme music for the opening animation to the 1983 Daicon IV science fiction convention in Osaka" - Yes, this new source says this.
 * "In 2005, as an homage to the Daicon IV animation, the song was used as the opening theme of the television series Densha Otoko, which features an otaku as the main character." Yes, the new source says this.
 * "The song has remained popular among anime fans; since 2008" - where does the sources say this?
 * "it has served as the opening song for Otakon's AMV contest." - the second source confirms this.


 * That's three out of the six statements are still unsourced. And none of the cited content explains why the use of the song at these conferences are so notable they should be mentioned at all.   Content on other Wikipedia pages cannot be used to back up this article.  The sources it contains must be adequate in themselves.  -- Escape Orbit  (Talk) 16:22, 23 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Alright, that's fair. I dug up an additional citation (which I already added), and I agree about the remaining ones; I don't know of a way to cite or prove that the song "gained cult status" or that the song (by itself, outside of the context of the animations) is "popular among anime fans". So, that text can be removed, and the remaining sentences rearranged, leaving us with:


 *  The song gained cult status in Japan when it was used (without authorisation[1]) as the theme music for the opening animation to the 1983 Daicon IV science fiction convention in Osaka.[2] In 2005, as an homage to the Daicon IV animation, the song was used as the opening theme of the television series Densha Otoko, which features an otaku as the main character.[2] The song has remained popular among anime fans; since 2008, As a similar homage, it has served as the opening song for Otakon's AMV contest since 2008 .[3] It also appeared, with authorisation and credit, in a 1982 advertisement for the Toyota Celica XX. 


 * I'll make that change if it seems okay. --Bigpeteb (talk) 18:43, 30 November 2015 (UTC)