Talk:Twisted Sister

Shock Rock?
Was'nt TS considered shock rock for a long time? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wolfinator-x (talk • contribs) 01:49, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

genres
I took out speed metal. If anyone actually things Twisted Sister are speed metal they're retarded. They're barely heavy metal, more like influence of heavy metal. I think Glam should be added because they did have a glam appearence and they helped influenced glam and were popular when glam was becoming popular. Sure they have their own distinct sand but there are a lot of bands labeled glam metal that only loosely fit and have their own sound aswell.

Should have a seperate section for discography listing albums and singles. ViolentGreen 18:44, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

There ya' go.Someoneinmyheadbutit'snotme 03:43, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

218.141.224.61 22:43, 24 November 2005 (UTC) Cleaned up the second and last paragraphs. Added information about "House of Hair" radio program to last paragraph. 25 November 2005

you should add the lawsuit they filed against six flags kentucky kingdom for their dueling roller coasters "twisted sisters". they won, and the park renamed the coasters "twisted twins"

I wrote a more detailed band history. I tried to include any information from the old version. I removed the clean-up tag. But the article may need a grammar/spelling check by a native english speaker. All informations are from the official TS site or from Jay Jay French via deesnider.com forums.Cyco130 08:10, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

The group had a glam-like image but musically they were closer to classic heavy metal bands such as Judas Priest and Motörhead than the other glam metal/pop metal bands of the era, for example Mötley Crüe, Poison and Ratt.

What is this sentance? Twisted Sister was most of the time not significantly heavier than Ratt or Mötley Crüe. It seems to me this was written by someone that likes Twisted Sister but is ashemed of a prospect of liking a Glam Metal band so he rushes to distance them from their rightful musical relatives.

To anonymous user: I added the sentence because Twisted Sister is cited under Classic metal and not under Glam metal in Wikipedia. It's not my POV. By the way, I do like Twisted Sister but I like also Mötley Crüe, Poison and Ratt :) Cyco130 18:22, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

There's no mention of Twisted sister being "special guests" on Alice Cooper's massive 2005-2006 "Dirty Diamonds" tour! there should be, its not as if they were just a support band or something... :D. I missed my chance to go see that cos of bloody train problems. --KX36 23:50, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

I noticed that twistedsister.com recommends this article as "a really good place to get a capsule history". It proves that we did a good job here. I hope some native english speaker will soon copy-edit the article so that we can get rid of that annoying remark :). Cyco130 03:00, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

It's true. Twisted Sister was never ever Glam Metal. They were just straight Heavy Metal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.97.141.173 (talk) 09:43, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I know its very old but that last comment was stupid. Glam isnt a sound, its an image. If these guys arent glam, glam doesnt exist. Thats like when Lemmy says Motorhead isnt heavy metal, which we all know is not the case--95.146.129.71 (talk) 01:26, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Copy edit proposal
Hello Cyco130 and other Twisted Sister editors. I will undertake the copy edit for this article, if you don't object. I have just reworked the "Pre-MTV period" section as an example. I do not see a need to change the structure of this article--just a few sentence movements or combinations here and there. I will begin in a few days, unless you indicate that you'd rather I did not. --The Phantom Blot 20:59, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Seeing no objections, I've started the copy edit on this article. I just cleaned the "Pre-Dee" section. I will continue working downward, at the rate of one section per day or so. I'll finish with the Introduction. The Phantom Blot 13:40, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Sorry for the late answer. No objections at all, it's very good! Cyco130 07:07, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I have completed the copy edit on this article and removed the tag. Back to you... The Phantom Blot 18:22, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

That's great, thanks a lot! Now we have an almost complete article until the details of the new album become available... Cyco130 16:23, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Glam Metal
Twisted Sister is not glam metal they are straight foward heavy metal like Motorhead and Judas Priest, and Dee Snider even said they are not glam. So I think we should stop putting it on the infobox.--Cory pratt 18:29, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

-No band will admit they're glam nowadays, DUH. Glam metal is something the media and people constantly make fun of so of course no glam metal bands will really admit they're glam but a few.
 * No, I'm sorry, they're glam metal. Just because it offends you to call them that doesn't mean they're not in the genre.

I mean hell, if they're not glam metal, then who is? Poison? Cinderella? Ratt? You could make the same exact arguments you're making right now for why Twisted Sister isn't glam metal for those bands. Sorry, but glam metal is a recognized sub-genre of heavy metal and if Twisted Sister can't meet the standards of being classified in it, then I don't know what band can and why the sub-genre even exists. Glam metal musically IS straight forward heavy metal. It's just with the addition of the whole 80s glam image and lyric. --Hippie Metalhead (talk) 00:55, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Glam Metal was primarily directed toward a young female audience, TS almost looked Glam, but did not sound Glam nor direct their music and style toward young girls, Poison, Cinderella, and Ratt did. If you want to compare TS to any other band try KISS or The New York Dolls. IMO Genre(s) should be Heavy Metal, Hard Rock, Shock Rock. -- Just a Proud S.M.F. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.210.52.51 (talk) 12:56, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

heavy metal shouldn't be the only genre, that would be like metallicas only genre being hard rock, its completely misleading — Preceding unsigned comment added by I call the big one bitey (talk • contribs) 05:07, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

We're Not Gonna Take It/Oh Come All Ye Faithful
I was listening to a radio station in Toronto a few weeks ago, and one member of Twisted Sister was on, discussing the Christmas album.

Candidly, he admitted that the chorus of 'We're Not Gonna Take It' is inadvertantly a ripoff of 'Oh Come All Yee Faithful'. As you can see...


 * "Oh Come Let us Adore him! Oh Come Let us Adore him! Oh Come Let us Adore him, Christ, the Lord!"
 * "We're Not Gonna Take It! No, we Aint Gonna Take It! We're Not Gonna Take It, Anymore!"

Not only do the schemes of the line match up pretty good, but the melody is the same.

Anyway, I think the wikipedia line about performing 'Oh Come All Ye Faithful' in the style of 'We're Not Gonna Take It' was pretty funny. JimmmyThePiep 23:00, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Reunion
The infobox says the band have been active from 1997 to date, but the prose itself (which is pretty dreadful) doesn't mention what happaned in 1997. Indeed, the "Reunion" section starts with the one line paragraph "In 1998, the band recorded a song for the soundtrack of Snider's movie Strangeland.". You really ought to be making a little more of the reunion and telling folks about how it came about (especially folks like me who know nothing about the band; we are supposed to be your target audience.) --kingboyk 00:46, 25 February 2007 (UTC) PS If they split up in Oct 87, how can Joey "Seven" Franco have been the drummer 1987-1988?

A further contradiction: This article says A. J. Pero was with the band from 1997; A. J. Pero] says he rejoined in 2002. --kingboyk 13:52, 25 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I could have sworn that A.J. Pero was the drummer when I used to see TS at Speaks in Island Park, Long Island in the late 70's. I also could have sworn that Kenny was Ken Neill-Harrison, not Harrison-Neill. Maybe my elderly gray cells getting grayer...Ten of Swords 23:28, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Music Videos
The only TS's offical music vidoes I know are

"You Can't Stop Rock'n'Roll" "We're Not Gonna Take It" "I Wanna Rock" "The Price" "Leader Of The Pack" "Be Chrool To Your Scuel" "Hot Love"

Others mentioned on a main page seem absolutely unknown to me.

No answer. Deleted other videos. (Nitrofest 09:02, 7 May 2007 (UTC))

What does "ran almost constantly" mean? Every other video, every five mins or just a lot? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.181.246.229 (talk) 21:38, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Band Template
In case anyone's interested, I've made a template for the band and added it to all people/albums. Midx1004 19:13, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

External sources and reference links cited.
I have added several external reference links and was thereby able to find support for some of the article's content.--Libertyguy 18:53, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

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missing information on band shows/members
Just thought that I would point out that there is no imformation present about Twisted Sisters appearance at the Rock and Blues festival in Pentrich, Derbyshire, England in the summer of 2005, and no mention of Eddie Ojeda touring with the rock musical 'Vampires Rock' in England throughout 2007. 144.124.16.33 (talk) 20:04, 9 January 2008 (UTC) The full Twister Sister band appeared April 26, 2011, on Late Night with Jimmy Fallon. They played the full rendition of "We're Not Gonna Take It." Fallon introduced the band by saying that ever since Late Night started he had been trying to get the band on the show.173.174.227.236 (talk) 15:43, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

First section
"Twisted Sister was formed in December 1972 by guitarist Jay Jay French, and completed its line-up on February 14, 1973, when guitarist Jay Jay French joined a band called Silverstar."

This first line doesn't make sense in light of the rest of the section. It seems Silverstar was formed in 1972, and every other band member left either just before or just after the name change to "Twisted Sister".Ten of Swords (talk) 18:57, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Better Picture?
Can anyone get a better picture, back from the 1980's when they were big? Maybe one of their many promotional pictures because the one at the top now doesn't look too good and doesn't show the whole band. Logger2010 (talk) 02:29, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Most '70s & '80s glam rock bands have gone to sell 40 to 50 million?
"Although most '70s and '80s glam rock bands have gone to sell 40 to 50 million CDs and records, Twisted Sister has only sold a little over 11 million."

This is a very strange and vague factoid. "Most" glam rock bands?? Which ones are we talking about? It is my guess that --as in every other genre of music at every time in history-- MOST of the (possibly hundreds of) glam rock bands of this era achieved only local successes, local recognition at best, made no significant money, got no recording contracts, and faded even in the memories of their audiences. It is only a VERY small handful of bands that ever have that level of success. So....which glam bands sold that much? David Bowie? T Rex? Gary Glitter? Maybe the sentence should read "most famous 70's and 80's glam bands," but even that seems odd and insufficient.

There is also an almost POV quality to the structuring of this, as if the author is demeaning Twister Sister's achievement by setting it against the achievements of unnamed others. Furthermore, there seems to be debate as to whether Twister Sister is even a "glam band."

Understand, I am not trying to defend Twisted Sister. Actually, I don't care about the band or know if any of the statements on this page are true. (I don't even know how many records they have sold, and the source of this statistic should be cited.) Nonetheless, this sentence seems odd....I am going to change it.

Sentence seems to have been added on this revision:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Twisted_Sister&diff=265968178&oldid=265694735

Sojambi Pinola (talk) 20:11, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

25th Anniversary of STAY HUNGRY
A couple of years ago, while playing to 80,000 fans in Quebec after not playing there since 1984, it struck me just how important our album Stay Hungry had become. It broke sales records in 8 countries and the videos made us international stars. Canada especially had gone crazy for the album and bought it at a much greater proportional rate against US sales then any album in recent memory.

We had just released our re-recorded version of it called Still Hungry. While talking to our fans in Canada, it struck me how many still preferred the original Stay Hungry. Maybe, as band members, we were just too close to the whole thing. Maybe we just weren’t seeing it and, more importantly, hearing it through the eyes of the fans who had spent the last 23 years with their ears tuned in to the sound of the original record. I knew that in two years a milestone was approaching. In May of 2009 The 25th anniversary of Stay Hungry would arrive. I started to think of a way to recognize and celebrate the music and the times which had become so important to the lives of not only our millions of fans around the world, but also to acknowledge the importance and relevance of all of the music created by the hard rock bands of that period. What became obvious to me was that just re-mastering the original record was not a reason to re-release it. The only way this could be ‘special’ was to locate any material that was recorded by us at the time and never released so as to make a truly great 2 disc package.

Much to the band's surprise, Atlantic/Rhino discovered a series of cassettes that comprised almost a whole extra albums worth of material. This original music was part of the ‘demo’ process used in making Stay Hungry. These tapes were recorded in December 1983 at Nino’s studios in Baldwin, LI along with all the songs that wound up on the finished album. I completely forgot that these tapes ever existed. The band barely remembered these songs ever being recorded. Most of the songs, upon fresh listening are shockingly good. Remember, these are demo’s which means that they are unfinished versions of songs. Maybe some day we will actually fully finish and record some of them if you, the fans, yell loudly enough. Don’t ask me why some didn’t make the record, the politics of that question are too deep to get into. Suffice it to say, we are proud of this material and, to make the re-release really special, we also recorded our first new song in 10 years - a song called 30.

Lastly, I want to thank Donna (the Mayor), SMF Cyndi and Pat Egan. They are long time fans well known to the Slamboard. They came to my house and spent an evening listening to and sifting through a lot of material. Their help, advice and enthusiasm were crucial in giving me the insight as to how to proceed with this project. THANKS GUYS!!

A Re-Mastered Stay Hungry 10 Never Heard Before Songs Originally Demo’d For Stay Hungry 5 Early Demos Of Songs From Stay Hungry 1 Brand New Song 1 Rare Radio Spot Using 'SMF' As The Music Bed

That is a reason to celebrate an important milestone.

The release date is Tuesday, June 23rd, 2009.

We hope you love this package as much as we do.

-Jay Jay French —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.215.26.215 (talk) 23:18, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

"This"
This is true, that the name was supposed to be "this". However, two problems. One is that it is in the lead and not in the article at all. The lead is supposed to be an introduction. The second problem is that there is not a reference to this. I know this sucks and even I know Twisted Sister was originally proposed to be called "This" but you and I are not considered reliable sources. Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 22:01, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

One-hit Wonder?
Twisted Sister's "We're Not Gonna Take It" ranked #21 on VH1's "100 Greatest One-Hit Wonders of the 80's", but my dad says they can't be a one-hit wonder because "I Wanna Rock" was big. So please explain whether they were a one-hit wonder or not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.127.191.194 (talk) 22:47, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, they weren't a one-hit wonder because they indeed had two notable hits. But most folks only remember the one, so they kinda WERE a 1HW. You decide!Vonbontee (talk) 09:37, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Errors/missing albums
Club Daze Volume I The Studio Sessions says live in brackets after it which it clearly is not live, and the lastest album Live At The Astoria is missing from the albums section it is a CD/DVD combo. I refuse to edit wiki pages as it will undoubtedly be reverted by a wiki-nazi, so I leave the editing up to them. -- Just a proud S.M.F. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.210.50.123 (talk) 05:34, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

AC/DC tribute
Earlier, I had changed a reference to an AC/DC tribute. The original revision said that they covered "Sin City". Not sure which tribute album this is talking about, but as seen on this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbolt:_A_Tribute_to_AC/DC, Dee did a cover of "Walk All Over You" not "Sin City". Lately, my revision has been changed back to "Sin City". Can someone back their claim up otherwise change it back to mine? —Preceding unsigned comment added by BRoc91 (talk • contribs) 20:27, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Never Let the Bastards Wear You Down
Never Let the Bastards Wear You Down is not a Twisted Sister album but a Dee Snider solo album, consisting of old Twisted Sister songs that didn't make it onto the albums. Encyclopaedia Metallum: http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Dee_Snider/17682#band_tab_discography — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thyglakk (talk • contribs) 11:44, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Fixed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.91.88.128 (talk) 16:16, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

TWISTED SISTER IS NOT GLAM METAL!!! HERE IS THE PROOF AND THEIR REAL GENRE!
How is Twisted Sister glam metal? Sure they look glam. Well at least in the 80s, cause Dee Snider doesn't have that blue makeup and blushes anymore. But that has NOTHING to do with the music. Besides, being catchy doesn't make you glam cause then you're saying that Enter Sandman by Metallica is glam. Same applies to Bottoms Up by Nickelback, which is considered heavy metal, even though they're mostly hard rock or alternative/post-grunge. Glam is all about having you know, pop rock vocals, catchy pop influenced choruses and often has catchy riffs or solos. But catchy pop influences and vocals and choruses are MOST IMPORTANT in glam metal! Besides, they said in an interview with Dee Snider leading it that they ARE NOT glam metal, they said they only have seen themselves as a heavy metal band. Besides, even glam metal has to have a friendly audience to lots of women who act like 80s women. Twisted Sister mostly has a fanbase of people who dress like 70s metal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.255.214.78 (talk) 00:49, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

A few songs of them are Glam Metal: "Bad Boys of Rock'N'Roll" "I Am (I'm Me)" "You're Not Alone (Suzette's Song)" "The Price" "I Believe in You" "King of the Fools" "Heroes Are Hard to Find" And the whole "Love Is For Suckers" - Album (That's all that I have in mind) --Zorono Ornitorrico (talk) 23:48, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Sources?
I'm taking off hard rock, there aren't any sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheMetallican (talk • contribs) 01:03, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Not glam metal
Look at the stuff above, they aren't glam. They're heavy metal.

And there ain't sources for glam metal.

Source for metal?
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Twisted_Sister/4975 — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheMetallican (talk • contribs) 01:16, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Glam metal?
They ain't glam metal. They're heavy metal. Glam metal was a subgenre with glamorously heavy metal vocals, distorted electric guitars, friendly tone, glamorous/friendly lyrics and features shredding solos and can be very catchy. Eg: Poison, Ratt, Quiet Riot, Motley Crue, etc. How are Twisted Sister even glam metal? They have stronger vocals, and their lyrics and themes are rebellious and sometimes violent, that's not glamorous. They also sound angry in some songs. Glam is short for Glamorous. Besides, even Ronnie James Dio, Metallica and Rob Halford reject that label for the band. The band even rejects the label. Big hair doesn't make you glam. It ain't no fashion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.28.140.11 (talk) 19:19, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Logo
Who designed their logo? AmericanLeMans (talk) 18:57, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Weird sentence in first paragraph of "History of Twisted Sister (1972–1976)"
The last sentence of that paragraph doesn't seem right:

"Micheal Valentine took over the lead singer role, guitarist Billy Diamond, drummer Mell Star, bass player Kenneth Harrison Neill, and Johnny Heartbreaker (soon to change his name to Jay Jay French)."

Especially because it doesn't explain where "Johnny Heartbreaker" comes from.

Sjmsteffann (talk) 22:39, 4 July 2015 (UTC)


 * My confusion as well. Jay Jay French says his birth name was John Segall, and there is no "heartbreaker" on that page. 50.203.248.82 (talk) 10:52, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

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They are Glam Metal
Twisted Sister made glam metal music for example: Bad Boys (Of Rock'n'Roll) I Am (I'm Me) The Price I Belive in You The whole Love Is For Suckers record — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:238:F014:85B:4491:F7E6:E1CE:1B6B (talk) 21:19, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

This article doesn't actually say what TS's image is!
I am ROFL at all the argument about whether or not TS are glam or not! Well compared to a 'classic' glam rock band like The Sweet they aren't very glamorous (let's face it, if Dee Dee fired a gun like he wields a lipstick he couldn't hit a barn door...) But isn't it a little bit mad that this page is one long argument about their image when the actual article skirts around the subject and doesn't even detail what their image is! Stub Mandrel (talk) 22:48, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

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