Talk:Two-Face/Archive 1

Janus
The user Kchishol1970 stated that the French name of Two-Face is "Janus". In all French Batman episodes I saw on TV, he was called "Double-Face". Does "Janus" come from French translations of the original comics? Fafner 21:41, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * Upon examination of the Batman Animated DVD I have, I was apparently in error. I am removing it.

Kchishol1970 9:49 5 Sept 2004 (EDT)

Batman Begins Sequels
I removed ''If true, he will most likely appear as pre-accident District Attorney Harvey Dent in the first sequel, and then turn to villainy through his famous accident in the following installment. To add further speculation, Katie Holmes, who plays a D.A. in the film, is rumoured not to return, thus opening up room for Harvey Dent as Gotham's new District Attorney.'' for two reasons. First, no character named Harvey Dent appeared in Batman Begins, so the first sentence is not true. Secondly, Katie Holme's character in the film was an Assistant District Attorney, she was not the District Attorney.


 * I admit that the part about Dawes being a D.A. instead of an Assistant District Attorney was completely my mistake. A combination of bad memory and lack of attention skills. But I'm not sure what you mean about the first line being wrong. As you point out, the film doesn't state the presence of Dent in the film, but the first line does not contradict this, so unless I'm missing something, I don't see your point. --Bacteria 1 July 2005 01:36 (UTC)
 * Sorry, that was my error. I misread "sequel" as "film".  Apologies.

Two-Face In No Man's Land
One small error. During No Man's Land, Harvey Dent did not put Two-Face on trial. What happened was that Two-Face kidnapped Jim Gordon and put him on trial for his activities after Gotham City was declared a No Man's Land. Gordon played upon Two-Face's split psyche to demand Harvey Dent as his defense attorney. In a bizarre scene, Harvey Dent cross-examined Two-Face and won an acquittal of Gordon. - Brad Pardee

The Viper probably
Captain Planet villain Doctor Blight has the left side of her face scarred in a similar manner, though keeps the scars covered with an overgrowth of long hair. She lacks the duality, though she appears to have already gone completely insane.
 * I would say the Captain America character the Viper serves as the template here, as she also used her hair to cover up scars.

Bianchi Image
I really like this. Thanks to IP #75.4.62.213 for making this change. --Chris Griswold 23:46, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Victor Rie
Uh...hey. Is it just me, or does anyone else not see the point in linking to Victor Riesel in the article? He's not even deformed, to my knowledge. In fact, I'd almost say he and his situation are the exact opposite of Two-Face. ACS (Wikipedian) 20:19, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Delete bibliography?
The separate article for Two-Face's bibliography has been nominated for deletion. If you care one way or the other, vote here. GentlemanGhost 05:08, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Gilda Dent/Holiday/origin
noticed that there was no real mention of the Two-Face origin as featured in The Long Halloween and Dark Victory, nor of Gilda Dent's identity as the Holliday killer (have no knowledge of whether or not DC made anything more of that story).--User:stickmangrit 15:18, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

His Age
I think that the sentence indicating his age (between "34 to 37") should be taken out. Theres no citation and besides I think his age would be closer to the mid forties. (ALong with Bats and the majority of his rogue gallery) Figure- Its said in The Commsioner Gordan article that Jimbo's served in gotham for "over twenty years", presumably since Year One.Dent was scarred after YO. 26 plus 20.

There, I just changed it for you. Hope that it helps, since it would make sense he is closer to 40. --Jonathan.Bruce 06:19, 5 Oct 2006 (UTC)

Actually, that article James Gordon states he's served on the police force for over 20 years, not identifying Gotham's. Gordon came to gotham from Chicago's PD. Between the two, he's served over 20 years. He's served on Gotham's for far less, about as long as batman's been around. ThuranX 20:37, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Good point. If Batman's been around for just under thirteen years (if he was 23 or 24 in Year One), he'd be 35-36. Dent was said to be 26-27 at that time, so he would be 39+.. Jonathan.Bruce 10:23, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

DCAU infoboxes
Do we need two per page? The DCAU boxes have spelling and functionality errors, and the characters are already described in the main infobox, which in the vast majority of cases is the 'original' version (that is, appearing first and being the source material for the softer kid's show versions). I thin that differences can be explained in the appropriate 'other media' section. I know this isn't the only page where this editing/reversion situation is happening, but it's as good a place as any to work this out, unless there's genuinely a better place. ThuranX 01:24, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Check the Comics Project talk page. CovenantD 01:30, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Simone Bianchi image
I prefer the half-face image myself, I think it works better visually -- the full-face image looks like the two halves were pasted together, and there is way too much black space at the top of the page.

Instead of getting into a revert war, however, could we have a staw-poll to settle which one the majority of editors prefer? ~CS 17:00, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Half-Face
~CS 17:00, 14 September 2006 (UTC) --Uswzb 23:46, 15 September 2006 (UTC) --Spencer &quot;The Belldog&quot; Bermudez |  (Complain here) 07:49, 16 September 2006 (UTC) (The main page picture already has both halves)

Full-Face
The full face is more accurate for describing the nature of the character. Harvey/Two-Face is a man of TWO, not one, face. showing both halves is thus more factual. With the scarred side only, we could be talking about the very ugly OTHER Dent, Humbert Dent, One-face-But-what-a-face-it-is. The half-face, further, is representative of lousy design, and breaks up the natural flow of the page (It's a well known principle of figure drawing not to cut limbs off the page at joints, and to not do a flat half-face. limbs at midlimb or so, and faces should clearly imply that it's a full head.) ThuranX 22:49, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * First, the half face is the full face, someone just enlarged and cropped it. I prefer the full face, though I think someone should go in an crop it so that the top portion is removed and more proportional image is created. I understand where CS is coming from, the enlarged version looks good, but it detatches from what the article is about, a man with two personalities. Bignole 03:58, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Just to be clear: the half face is as it originally appeared on the comic book cover. -- Batman #653 had the scarred side, Detective Comics #818 had the clean side in its first printing, and the later 2nd printing of Detective Comics #818 had both sides put together.  The half-face image as it appears in the article was not edited by a Wikipedia user -- it is the original artwork for Batman #653. ~CS

Imho Harvey/"Two Face" is one character and also two in the same time. The scarred face is "Two Face", the other persona in his mind. --87.4.96.31 15:34, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Full-face - I like this better to show the whole two faces -- Ipstenu ( talk | contribs ) 14:01, 18 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Full face - Almost a requirement for a character called Two-Face. CovenantD 19:31, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

The Full-Face image seems overwhelmingly preferred -- I'm going to go ahead and make this the image now. We can revisit the issue later if necessary. ~CS 21:05, 18 September 2006 (UTC)


 * First, I don't know that it's overwhelming, but it does appear to be a majority. Second, I'd like to thank you for conducting this in a calm and collected manner. Good editors are always welcomed on every wikipage, hope to see more work from you. ThuranX 21:10, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Long Halloween image


I propose this one: first appareance of Two-Face from "The long Halloween". It looks great. --Uswzb 01:14, 19 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your suggestion, but the editor who opened the poll has closed it, let's not start a long image war. It is a good image, but not right now. However, once the movie comes out, the page may need more images due to expansions. that would be a great time to add the image. (I happen to love Sale's style, both his long batman arcs, and his superman work too.) ThuranX 01:59, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi Thuranx, I agree, Tim Sale is cool. I don't believe we have married Simone Bianchi's image. We can change if we will. If there is a resistance againist Sale's I'll give up. If somebody like this better than that, please don't be shy:) --Uswzb 15:31, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

To be honest, I like them both. No one's better than the other is. --Jonathan.Bruce 10:25, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Abilities
How does suffers from dissociative identity disorder count as a power or ability? His mental illness is a character hindrance and shouldn't be included in a category that should contain the character's positive assets. I mean, you don't see "psychopath" in Joker's box. Or "dumb and stupid" in Killer Croc's. And is it really necessary to put "none" as an ability, just because Harvey doesn't have super powers? Batman doesn't have super powers, but no one tries to put a "none" in his infobox.

And I'm of the opinion that the "Abilities" portion of most character templates are too difficult to read. The powers are listed in paragraph form separted by semicolons or commas. Can't we put them into a list form for improved readability? Maybe even include some bullets?

What do others think?

--Carnyfoke 19:14, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Josh Lucas
Could whoever put the comment about Josh Lucas being "in talks" with warner brothers please explain where you got that information? Otherwise, it's just a rumor, and not worth being mentioned.

DCU/B:TAS image
We currently have two images of Two-Face from Batman: The Animated Series. We should find consensus on which to use. I am leaning towards the calmer of thw two pictures. I'd like some thoughts from other editors. ThuranX 20:04, 24 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I prefer the image on the left. His face is more clear, the background is less intrusive, and it is closer to a profile. To my eye, the face taking up one-third of the frame works better as a single image, and it is less obviously a screencap than the second. The deep shadows in the image on the right make the image less constructive as a illustrative tool, and busy the image with extra content. I find the background (a car window? a cafeteria door? a projection tv?) distracting. ~CS 01:29, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I also would choose the image on the left. --Jonathan.Bruce 10:26, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Al Pacino?
Help me out here, guys. Did Bruce Timm and Paul Dini really want Al Pacino to voice Two-Face in BTAS before Richard Moll was cast? I mean, I know Dent looks Italian, since they wanted him to have a Mafia-esque voice, but was Pacino considered? Look how his voice is now, it's barely recognizeable from all that smoking he's done over the years. The statement that Pacino refused sounds like original research to me. --Jonathan.Bruce 10:29, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Paul Sloane notes
He actually returned earlier Post-Crisis in a 1987 storyline involving the Crime Doctor.

Detective Comics # 579, 581

http://www.thebatsquad.net/batman/detective/detective1987.htm

Enda80 13:20, 27 December 2006 (UTC)Enda80

13:20, 27 December 2006 (UTC)~Enda80

Two-Face an anti-hero?
Based on the analysis of the original storyline, I wonder if Harvey Dent is an anti-hero. Depending on the coin, he does either good or evil, correct? The coin has to land heads up sometime, so since it has 1/2 probability, most of the time Two-Face does good. Comments? 71.217.236.119 23:14, 23 February 2007 (UTC)65.101.86.69


 * I would venture to say that he is not...at least not in the traditional sense. When the coin is flipped unscarred side up, he generally refrains from doing bad more often than actually doing any good. Although the Harvey Dent One-Year-Later storyline portrays that aspect of his character as an anti-hero, as you suggest.Mister Fax 18:53, 30 April 2007 (UTC)


 * The only time I've seen Two-Face doing good when he gets the clean/undamaged side of his coin, was his early stories during the Golden Age (1930s-1940s). In those early stories (back when Gotham's DA was Harvey Kent) Two-Face was actually struggling with the good and evil inside of him.--70.1.246.205 07:07, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Two of averything gimmick in Movie?
In Batman Forever -Two Face: By the way what happens to Sugar and Spice-they are last seen running off into the background when Batman casues the TV rector to explode. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.53.145.149 (talk) 18:14, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Has a two toned suit
 * Has two differnt guns (A revolver and a automatic pistol}
 * Smokes a white cigerette and a black cigar at the same time!
 * His assistant "Sugar" wears white and watchs a TV with "angel" cartoons
 * His assistatn "Spice" wears black and watchs a TV with "Devil" cartoons


 * SO what's the question or topic here? That's a nice list of trivia, but not needed in the article. ThuranX 18:40, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Article Quality rating
Two Face is likely to be receiving lots of attention when The Dark Knight (film) is released. Is anyone interested in working this up to GA level before may? I"m fairly confident that we can turn this into a nice, mostly OOU article about the character's creation, creative teams' views and attitudes toward the character, public reactions, etc., etc. His IU isn't as awful as other pages I'd like to fix up, but I thinkthat it can be streamlined even further. Doczilla appearas to have independently started this part of the process. I think a couple of good collaborative weekends and we could easily get up to GA. Thoughts? Sign-ups for the Dual Dementee's GA strike team? ThuranX (talk) 13:58, 26 January 2008 (UTC)