Talk:Two Trees of Valinor

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I felt that this article deserved significantly more treatment, so I wrote more or less what I remembered (I did check my details). I'd like to see more information concerning what Tolkien himself said about the significance of the Two Trees (I'm sure there is material in Letters), if others consider this kind of material appropriate, but I gave it an honest start. Aranel 23:24, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)

The Two Trees
"The Two Trees" redirects here, and I think that the poem by Yeats of the same title might deserve its own article (or at least mention somewhere). The Jade Knight 04:55, 6 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Makes sense. I'd suggest just replacing the redirect with an article on the poem and including a disambiguation line at the top for people who were looking for this article instead. --CBDunkerson 10:50, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Laurelin's Successors
I cannot just toss this up as original research, and have not been through "The History of Middle Earth", or through Tolkien's correspondence to verify, but I do believe a strong case can be made for a successor of Laurelin in Aman being mentioned in Galadriel's song of Eldamar ("I sang of leaves, of leaves of gold...") that mentions a golden tree growing beside Tirion-upon-Túna in Eldamar, and with the implication that it was in memory of this that Galadriel sang into existence the golden mallorn trees of Lorien. If this is so, while not descendants of Laurelin, they are thematically linked to it (with the golden tree of Eldamar being a possible actual successor). If the mallorn trees were made by Galadriel in the likeness of a scion of Laurelin, that would make the single mallorn planted by Samwise a thematic successor of Laurelin as well, balancing the restored white tree of Gondor with a golden tree for restorned Arnor.

Can any Tolkien scholars help source this argument? Or is this not at all substantiated by reliable sources? 70.177.94.136 (talk) 01:41, 6 May 2010 (UTC)


 * While there are several sources that show how Galadriel helped spread the mallorn trees in Middle-earth and it was her "magic" that made Sam's mallorn grow in the Shire I can't find any reliable hints so far that Galadriel actually "created" the mellyrn through a song in Eldamar. It is just as likely that one of the exisiting trees was urged to grow when she sang "of leaves of gold". Neither the Simarillion nor Unfinished Tales do support this creation but maybe there is something in the History of Middle-earth (which I don't have access to right now). De728631 (talk) 17:40, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
 * In fact, Elves in the legendarium have occasionally the power, when singing, to make their listeners see things with their eyes, but actually singing something into existence is obviously far beyond the power of any Child of Eru, Elf no less than Man.--2001:A61:260C:C01:455C:E5D6:8760:20CC (talk) 12:12, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

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It isn't true that, after the Darkening of Valinor, the lineage of the Trees only existed through the line of the White Tree of Gondor. Only 2 of the Silmarils were lost-- the third became the Evening Star, personified in Eärendil. And it is the light of Eärendil that Galadriel gives to Frodo in the Phial of Galadriel. This is the light that Frodo invokes in Shelob's Lair; nothing less than the light of the Two Trees, embodied in the Silmarils, shining as the Evening Star in the waters of Galadriel's fountain. This connection should be included in any discussion of the Two Trees and their legacy in Third Age Middle-earth. 2600:1017:B803:8468:7044:618B:51D7:3574 (talk) 02:27, 27 March 2022 (UTC)