Talk:Tyla (South African singer)

Singles charts
I noticed the singles charts start off with SA which is linked to Hits of the World (Billboard South Africa songs). Question is why is it not linked to The Official South African Charts (TOSAC)?  dxneo  (talk) 16:38, 9 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi, we use the Billboard chart because it combines both streaming and radioplay into its numbers (and thus is more accurate as a national chart), whereas TOSAC has separate charts for streaming and airplay, and is therefore not as useful. See WP:CHARTMATH for more details. Thanks — cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝)  17:20, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * , as much as I hate to say this but your statement utterly not correct. Billboard South Africa Songs states that A ranking of the top songs based on streaming and sales activity from within the country- as tracked by Luminate. The ranking is based on a weighted formula incorporating official-only streams on both subscription and ad-supported tiers of leading audio and video music services, plus download sales from top music retailers within the territory.
 * Therefore, it does not say anything about the airplay and I also noticed that there's also US Afro but not her national charts, so what's going on?  dxneo  (talk) 17:57, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * ok wait ur so right LMAOOO sorry. OK if thats the case then TOSAC's Local and International Radio Chart Top 10 should be used in conjunction with the Billboard chart (bc it incorporates digital sales too and not just streams) on the song articles like Truth or Dare (Tyla song).
 * For the Tyla discography section however, she has charted in so many countries around the world so its good to show the global spread by having one chart from each country (except for US Afro bc she's charted a lot of songs there so its proof to readers that she has made a massive impact on that market-- unlike the TOSAC radio chart where's shes only ever charted two songs if I'm not mistaken?).
 * What I'm trying to say is that because Tyla has had fewer charting songs on TOSAC compared to Billboard SA, replacing the Billboard chart with the TOSAC chart on the table would make it look like she's not as popular as she actually is here. Therefore having the Billboard chart in the table is a more accurate representation of how famous and successful she is in her home country. What are your thoughts? — cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝)  18:23, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Okay, let's start here, which fewer songs charted on TOSAC as compared to Billboard? If you can name at least one song that charted on Billboard South Africa Songs and not on TOSAC, I will rest my case. I don't see why they cannot co-exist.  dxneo  (talk) 18:37, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Art and Jump have both not charted on the TOSAC chart (NB: I'm looking specifically at the "Local & International" airplay chart bc the Local one is exclusive to SA artists and doesn't encompass the entire music market, thus making it subjective to what the country consumes) — cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝)  18:44, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * , precisely my point. We are talking about South African charts here, not international, therefore you cannot look for international charts on national charts (not sure if that makes sense). For an example, see Lisa's discography and point out international charts on that list maybe I'm missing something.  dxneo  (talk) 19:40, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Both the TOSAC and the Billboard chart are still South African charts since they both represent the music consumption of our country, but I think you might be misunderstanding TOSAC's use of the words "local" and "international" perhaps? They use these words to refer specifically to the citizenship/nationality of the ARTISTS whose songs are charting. I can compare the TOSAC Local Top 10 to the New Zealand (Artists) Top 20 chart, which ranks songs specifically by artists from New Zealand (denoted by the little green icon on the corner of each single cover), where as the New Zealand (Official) Top 40 chart, like the TOSAC Local & International chart, ranks all songs by NZ locals AND foreigners (or "internationals" in the words of TOSAC) combined. By this definition, all of the charts listed on Lisa (rapper) are technically "international" charts because none of them are exclusive to native artists of those countries. Hope this clears that up? — cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝)  20:31, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello .  dxneo  (talk) 21:54, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * , There has already been lengthy discussions about Billboard Hits of the World charts elsewhere, see for example Wikipedia talk:Record charts. The consensus is that Billboard HOTW charts should only be used where there isn't a national chart present. The Official South African Charts is the official national chart of South Africa, so it should thus be used here as 4 of Tyla's songs have charted on it (Water #3, Art #11, Truth or Dare #15, Jump #18). Even Billboard itself have recognized the TOSAC chart as the official one and it's the TOSAC chart many news media refer to here in South Africa, not the Billboard Hits of the World chart.  Cool Marc   ✉   22:22, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * , I absolutely agree with everything you are saying. However, both charts are allowed to be listed under songs weekly charts, I was just wondering why it is prioritized over the national chart on the singer's discography. I came to realiser that TOSAC (RiSA) is not as advanced as other countries' music charts and/or certification systems, whereas other countries have archives. For an example, here on Billboard you can see every song that charted on this particular chart, and when accessing the RIAA auto-generated certificate link it leads you straight to that specific recording and reveals the number of (Gold or) Platinum certificates, RiSA doesn't. I was actually trying to get the charts information updated at, but when I was asked to provide the charts archives here I couldn't cause there isn't any, meaning in the meantime we can only have HOTW charts (Billboard) as an identifier.  dxneo  (talk) 22:41, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * TOSAC have charts online dating back to 2021 that can be accessed by simpling editing the week and year in the url. They are able to be archived. There is no excuse to not use this chart when it's the official record chart run here in South Africa. It sucks that they only post a top 10 online (they used to post a full top 100 before, maybe they will again). As mentioned, there is consensus that the Billboard HOTW charts should only be used if the artist/Song has not charted on the main national record chart (TOSAC in this case).  Cool Marc  ✉   23:01, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * , cool. How about we start here, please provide the archives and we will take it to the template editors then our problem will most definitely be solved. Why do you think we use URLs for South African charts instead of like most of Billboard charts? Please do provide the archives as requested by Muhandes here .  dxneo  (talk) 23:56, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * There are numerous countries charts that do not use Single chart templates. That does not mean the chart is any less important and it's not a requirement. Many of the templates become faulty with time due to website and url migrations, and then they can't be archived at all after that, especially Billboard if they end up discontinuing a chart. Anyway I have given the url details on the Singlechart template talk page.  Cool Marc  ✉   01:32, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * please refer to Record charts/Sourcing guide and discussions at Wikipedia talk:Record charts and Wikipedia talk:Record charts/Archive 19. The consensus is Only if a song/artist has not charted on the main TOSAC chart may Billboard South Africa Songs be used. I will change the chart for South Africa in Tyla's discography to the The Official South African Charts accordingly.  Cool Marc  ✉   07:23, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Personal life
Tyla dated American rapper Travis Scott 41.114.230.181 (talk) 07:11, 17 June 2024 (UTC)


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Thoughts on GA
Hello, sorry for disturbance, but I was thinking we should clean this article, add recent information and also do some touch ups on "Water" then nominate them for GA. Oh and if possible, since DYK for the album hasn't been approved yet, we can try to co-nominate if we move quicker. Thoughts  dxneo  (talk) 03:29, 21 July 2024 (UTC)