Talk:Tylenol (brand)/Archive 1

Initial comments
Why is there a 2 next to the word "cyanide"? AxelBoldt 19:40, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)


 * Such are the mysteries of life. I've removed it. func (talk) 01:08, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Shouldn't this page be merged with Paracetamol since tyneol just uses this drug as its active ingredient. And tyneol can just have a sub heading? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.127.164.185 (talk) 17:24, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Indeed, it would make sense to discuss general topics such as history, pharmacology, use and problems of a drug in the page of the generic name (paracetamol / acetaminophen in this case). The articles on specific drug names could link to these generic names; additionally, the specific pages could explain specific characteristics (specifically related to this brand and / or company). How is the general policy on this topic in Wikipedia / the Pharmacology Project? --Firefly&#39;s luciferase (talk) 23:18, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

List of Variations
There should be a bulletted list of all the types of Tylenol. --Wulf 07:55, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * What da ya know. I made the list without even seeing this suggestion. There ya go, though :) --Chris 05:23, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Cool, looks great :) --Wulf 23:26, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Well how many variations are there??? 20 40 etc.????????? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.149.228.148 (talk) 01:32, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

What about Tylenol #3?
Left out are the prescription strength Tylenol drugs containing codeine... #1, #2, #3, #4, etc.


 * No.1 - 300mg acetaminophen, 8mg codeine, 15mg caffeine
 * No.1 Forte - 500mg acetaminophen, 8mg codeine, 15mg caffeine
 * No.2 - 300mg acetaminophen, 15mg codeine, 15mg caffeine
 * No.3 - 300mg acetaminophen, 30mg codeine, 15mg caffeine
 * No.4 - 300mg acetaminophen, 60mg codeine --Thoric 20:25, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Reliable sources need to be added to support this claim. Toddst1 (talk) 04:58, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Does Tylonol effect Birth control
Does Tylonol have any effect on birth control?


 * I recommend you ask a medical doctor and specify the exact method of birth control when you ask. If you are concerned about it, use a non-drug form of birth control such as a condom in addition. —Centrx→talk &bull; 05:56, 6 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Please sign your posts on talk pages, and bear in mind that Wikipedia does not give medical advice. Andrewa 19:27, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Generic term
Tylenol has become a generic term for acetaminophen in the United States. 67.188.172.165 03:31, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


 * The article and others still needs some rephrasing to make this clear IMO. Parts of it read as though that's universally true, but in Australia, Tylenol is still a brand. And even in the USA it appears to me that some compound analgesics go by the name Tylenol as well. Andrewa 19:55, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Useless Patent?

 * The compound had no apparent use and the patent was granted to Young.

Under US patent law, patents are required to have utility. How was Young able to patent an apparently useless invention? -- Securiger 04:35, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

History and discovery: conflict
The discovery of Tylenol mentioned here conflicts with the story told on the Paracetamol page? Pvosta 13:36, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Someone fix this page. Actually, it was acetanilide which was replaced by paracetamol. Phenacetin is still used. --Rallette 10:10, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I fixed the history and aligned it with the discovery of Paracetamol. Pvosta 22:12, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Capsule Materials
Are Tylenol capsules made of typical collagen-based gelatin? If so, is there any objection to use of Tylenol among vegetarians, vegans, or even those adhering to Kosher laws? Additionally, should any of this be addressed in the article? 12.227.239.120 04:23, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Judging from a brief perusal of vegan discussions on the subject, I'd say the capsules are likely non-vegan. It appears that drugs are a problem for vegans, since many contain gelatin, stearates, lactose, and what not, not to speak of animal testing. Since this is a problem with drugs in general, I don't think it needs to be discussed in the context of one particular drug, unless there's something unusual about it (such as that it would in fact be vegan). As for kosherness, I daresay Tylenol is pretty certain to be kosher, like almost all foodstuffs sold in the US (with obvious exceptions).--Rallette 10:27, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

is tyleno 3 safe for pregant women to take while pregant(Tasteofvanilla2001 21:38, 21 August 2007 (UTC))

Potential for abuse
I think that the potential abusive uses of Tylenol should be included in the article. A lot of people where I live get high off Tylenol all the time, and I've heard it's the same in other places. There should at least be a warning about the negative side-effects when people use Tylenol for pleasure, since I've seen a lot of peoples' lives ruined by Tylenol. If we could educate kids about the dangers before they start using, I think that the world would be a much better place. (Anonymous IP 07:29, 17 September 2007 (UTC))

I think so too. And enhanced by suicide effects of wrong packaging. http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/06/02/a-simple-way-to-reduce-suicides/?nl=opinion&emc=edit_ty_20130603 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drasidae (talk • contribs) 20:57, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

acetaminophen has no psychoactive potential. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.33.229.60 (talk) 20:48, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

APAP has, like, 12 psychoactive potentials; I'm surprised you didn't know that.

Actually, I'm just joking; I don't actually think that APAP is actually psychoactive. Seriously, however, in fact, I think that the "History" section needs some constructive editing. In particular, I suggest that the phrase "which was shown to have some negative effects" is, in particular, a particular problem. The issue is that I believe this sentence should convey information. It almost accomplishes this, by stating that Aspirin has negative side effects. It, however, fails however, whence upon it fails to state what these negative side effects are. Instead, it provides a spicy hotlink to a definition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adverse_drug_reaction). I believe, however, that an >I/<explanation<i< would be more suitable, therefore. Chip McShoulder (talk) 10:04, 25 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I think what Mr. Anonymous was talking about here was not people getting high off of acetaminophen (as this is impossible, as you've adequately stated as well) but rather getting high off of Tylenol 1, 2, 3, or 4, etc. as these forms of Tylenol all contain codeine as well as acetaminophen. However, potential for abuse of these is actually relatively low simply because a) codeine is the weakest opiate and among the weakest of any opiate/opioid compound, b) codeine's psychoactive effects don't last as long as most other opiates/opioids, and c) Tylenol with codeine simply contains too much acetaminophen to make abusing them worthwhile without risking either liver damage or an adverse reaction (which has happened to me from taking too much Tylenol 3; my extremities swelled to huge sizes and itched uncontrollably for about 20 minutes, and then the reaction subsides at which point the codeine starts to kick in; this could happen to me from taking as little as four, or sometimes even just three, Tylenol 3's), with the possibly exception of Tylenol 4.  Perhaps somebody with a lower opiate/opioid tolerance would have success in abusing Tylenol 3, but not for long, as their tolerance would quickly rise, thus rendering Tylenol 3 practically useless for any psychoactive seeking.  Tylenol 4 really is the only one which could maybe be abused, unless there's such a thing as Tylenol 5 (which I am also discussing here)


 * Psychonaut25 (13375p34k!) 7:37 AM EST, 26 July 2011

Health Effects
This page needs its own section on the health problems associated even with normally prescribed use of Tylenol. Here, for instance, is an article on the potentially serious side effects of Tylenol use. I'm sure there are many others.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/46607.php

Drug Expiry Dates? Do they really expire
I have read a number of articles, many of which appear to be from legitimate medical sources that indicate most medications, especially over the counter medications do not really expire when the bottle indicates and that most medications are still effective many years after the expiration date. Given storage in a safe, dry with reasonable household temperature, I tend to believe most of these articles make sense. I suspect like most chemicals over the counter drugs, especially pill based, are relatively stable in their bottles and only degrade or break down over many years.... I'm not a scientist or medical professional... would like to get to the bottom of this... as most of us never get to the bottom of our very expensive medications... and usually because of an (exp . 2006/02) on the bottle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.243.89.225 (talk) 03:34, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

To respond to your question: Manufacturing expiration dates are set on drugs to provide a date for the stability of the compound. The FDCA (Food Drug and Cosmetic Act) supplies GMPs (Good Manufacturing Practices). These list that the expiration date is the date in which the medication loses at most 10% of its efficacy if stored in the proper storing conditions. So your bottle with an expiration date of today would have 90% efficacy of one that is not expired. This date is calculated using various different methods including trials and half life calculations to ensure that they are following these guidelines. Different medications such as reconstituted antibiotics have a very short expiration date, and those that are prepared for storage, like the freeze dried powder used in the reconstituted antibiotics have a very distant expiration date due to the nature of the compound. Note as mentioned before the efficacy/expiration date is valid if storage conditions are maintained. If you are keeping your medications in a drug cabinet in your bathroom think of the steam and temperature increases that happen on a daily basis from a shower etc. --71.192.94.139 (talk) 17:04, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Request for more info in article
I'd like to know who the CEO or CFO was who made the hard decision to recall shipment and destroy inventory. There's a list of CEOs, but no dates by them. Also, I'd like to know what the price of Tylenol was back then, before during and a few years after to understand the pricing structure just in relation to this 1982 event. Also, wasn't there a Pepsi copy-cat tampering? Kristinwt (talk) 07:07, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

leg terribleness
Has the side effect leg terribleness been added as some kind of joke? It sounds like something from a Simpsons script, and tellingly when I searched for the term the only hit I get for the complete term IE using "leg terribleness" is this wikipedia article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yakacm (talk • contribs) 12:59, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Contradicts Paracetamol
This article contains information that contradicts Paracetamol, especially in the historical part. Xasodfuih (talk) 13:58, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Currently, I did not find contradictory information in the historical parts of both articles. However, the focus is different in both. --Firefly&#39;s luciferase (talk) 23:31, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I found that the date Paracetamol was first introduced was contradicted between the two articles. Because the date on the Paracetamol page is cited, and it was the earlier date, I have removed reference to the introduction date on this page. Because I believe I resolved the contradiction, I also removed the contradiction tag. Xasodfuih, if you you find additional contradiction, it would be helpful if you could specificly identify the contradictory content. Billyoneal (talk) 21:52, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

WHY
Why does Tylenol get an extensive articly, where other brandnames for paracetamol get a redirect to the Paracetamol page?

At most this should get a "Tylenol is a brand of Paracetamol introduced by Mc Neil Labs in 1955" and a link to the Paracetamol page —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.209.52.159 (talk) 06:17, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Tylenol reducing fever
I just found this exact material today. A query search on Google, with site:.edu helps. I have cross-posted the "antipyretic" (drugs that lower fever) section on fevers+ Tylenol to the main topic section, because it is the only section where "fever" is mentioned. Motion to create a subtopic on fever? "Criticism"? Ye? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.118.179.218 (talk) 02:04, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Tylenol does not reduce fever, it only reduces the symptoms of fever. I ran across studies which went both ways.

Or if someone like to educate me on how tylenol reduces fever, please do. Other wise, [citation needed] will always be edited in. This is not vandalism, this is an inquiry... The sole purpose of "citation needed" is for an inquiry into the supposed statement which is lodged as a fact.

Otherwise the term "advertised as" should be included.
 * The article is about the product. Fever reducing is a part of the product as stated by the mfgr and clearly labled on each bottle. Therefor, no citation needed. 63.3.3.129 (talk) 06:55, 26 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, then "advertised" should be included and should not raise any concern for both parties.

Dangers
The "Dangers" section of this article does not mention that these health effects are caused by excessive use and/or overdose. It is biased and misleading. Rogereka (talk) 02:59, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I removed the section in question. This topic is quite well and NPOV-ly described in the Paracetamol article (where all the pharmaceutical information about the substance belongs anyway). This article is linked from the hatnote, so no problem there. --ἀνυπόδητος (talk) 13:38, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

templates. Odd. --Kevin Murray (talk) 03:48, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Rogereka apperas to be a single purpose user who dropped in one day, with enough sophisitication to use
 * While the Paracetamol article does discuss the issues, most people do not associate Tylenol with its generic name and go there seeking such information.--Kevin Murray (talk) 03:48, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Absent this section, the article reads like a ad for the product.--Kevin Murray (talk) 03:48, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Furthermore, while I agree (undoubtedly most don't), out of those people who do associate the brand name Tylenol with its constituent compound's name, I would think most of them associate it more with the name acetaminophen than the name paracetamol, since Tylenol is mostly, if not exclusively, marketed in the United States. Psychonaut25 (13375p34k!) 12:01 PM EST, 26 July 2011

the link to paracetamol toxicity tries to point to a subsection of the paracetamol page which has since been expanded to it's own page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paracetamol_toxicity —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.202.118.58 (talk) 19:02, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Drugbox removed
I removed the drugbox because it is already on Paracetamol. Having it duplicated would be difficult to maintain, and the link at the top of this article should be obvious anyway. --ἀνυπόδητος (talk) 10:34, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Contradicts Co-codamol
This page states that the codeine-containing Tylenol products go all the way from 1 (8 mg codeine) to 5 (90 mg codeine)...however, the page for Co-codamol (which simply means a product which contains both acetaminophen and codeine) states that they only go up to Tylenol 4 (60 mg codeine), but no higher. Which is correct? I have also mentioned this on the Co-codamol talk page but I thought it worthwhile to also mention it here, since obviously one of the pages is incorrect, but I don't know which one it is. Due to the possibility that it could be this page, I decided to discuss the issue on here as well. Does anybody have an answer to this? Thanks.


 * Edit (11:37 AM EST) - Okay so there is a pharmacy like 50 meters from my house and I asked the pharmacist whether there is such a thing as Tylenol 5 or if they only go up to 4. She said they only go up to 4. I live in the United States, so I realize this might not be the case in other countries; however I was thinking that perhaps if they were only available outside of the USA that they might not be called Tylenol 3, 4, 5, etc. What do you guys think? I was going to go ahead and edit the article, but then I decided I wanted to get a second or third opinion as to whether the 90 mg version might be available in other countries first. Does anybody have any further information on this? Thanks.


 * Edit (3:17 AM EST, 27 July 2011) - Well (in absence of any external input at this point), there it goes. Please let me know if there are any problems.

Psychonaut25 (13375p34k!) 7:44 AM EST, 26 July 2011

MOST OF THIS ARTICLE IS POINTLESS
This article is written for Americans when in fact the subject is a brand name for paracetamol!

Most of this is just repetition of that article but written under the auspices of Tylenol. In other words, it's like having vacuum cleaners and hoovers. Both can denote the same thing except one is a commercial brand the other is the actual product.

Hence....this article should be merged. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.150.226.206 (talk) 19:54, 25 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, the 'Dangers' section should be moved either to 'Paracetamol' or 'Paracetamol toxicity'. NotFromUtrecht (talk) 22:30, 28 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I came here to suggest the same thing. Because the section is not about Tylenol but about its active ingredient, paracetamol, I went ahead and cleared it. The same content is discussed in much greater detail in its own article at paracetamol toxicity, so the content was totally redundant. --Michael Billington (talk) 05:28, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Very subjective
Seems like a laudatio for tylenol (especially the introduction-section), probably mark it as "questionable objectivity?" Side-effects are also not noted --> Advertisement? — Preceding unsigned comment added by M24o (talk • contribs) 21:04, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Seriously, Why Does This Article Exist?
Surely this should be merged with Paracetamol? Surely? --81.23.54.142 (talk) 22:21, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Actually (seconds later...) I think I talked myself round. I would guess there is an Evian article as well as a Mineral Water one, but something that doesn't sit right is that it has the chemical composition diagrams at the top (which are more suited to the Paracetamol article). Shouldn't it have an image of the brand logo or packaging? --81.23.54.142 (talk) 22:24, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Marketing
Do we really need to hear about their marketing campaign? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.239.250.100 (talk) 20:29, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, as long as it's supported in independent reliable sources, and (optionally) primary sources.
 * Advertisements are designed and implemented as part of a marketing plan. That's one reason I changed the section name to ==Marketing==; the other is that ==Advertisements== was blocked by default by ad blocking sofware Ad Block Plus (as discussed [elsewhere. However ==Advertising== is not blocked by the EasyList filters in AdBlock Plus, so I've changed it to that, and put back the explanation in the hidden comment. --[[User:Lexein|Lexein]] (talk) 18:46, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Lede needs copyediting to make it appear standard and encyclopedic
The presentation of drug INN, pronunciation, etc. are all non-encyclopedic in style, with some further awkwardness in prose appearing. Needs a knowledgable expert to copyedit it to standard. Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 01:13, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

edits today
this article had a huge medical use section and a history section that were all about Paracetamol; we don't have massive duplications like that in WP. This article is about the brand, not the drug.

The section describing products has been unsourced since 2013. I deleted it per WP:VERIFY. Jytdog (talk) 09:49, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I have moved this to make it clear that this is about the brand not the medication. As most people looking up brands are looking for an article on the medication I have redirected Tylenol there. This is in line with WP:MEDMOS. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 08:32, 21 May 2015 (UTC)