Talk:Tyne–Wear derby

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geesh no bias on this article is there???? Gonna change this to NOT be a propaganda piece for Newcastle United. "We'll meet again" is going for a start, irrelevant.
 * It is a bit rediculous...

To the Mag desi;

Look, we appreciate you support NUFC and as such are going to be bias in your reporting, but FFS this is an encyclopedia not a forum for your opinions. The Sunderland groundsman reactions, chants after derbies etc etc are utterly irrelevant.

You are not doing much to dispel the widely held opinion that Newcastle fans are uneducated, egotistical and absolutely unable to look at anything impartially.

ok mate that opinion there is a stereotype and also an encyclopedia is meant to have detail in it, the piece about "We'll meet again" is a merely a little piece of detail, and also sign ur posts Crabman123 22:39, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

4-1 a notable victory?
Is the most recent game (the 4-1 in 2006) really a 'notable derby'? Out of all the derbys, it was hardly amazing or particularly memorable, out of all of the derby games that have been played.

Sure, Newcastle scored 4, but against statistically the worst side ever in the premiership. So 4 is nothing special.

Personally, I nominate that section for deletion. Loonitreefrog 23:31, 20 October 2006 (UTC)


 * It was more memorable than half of the ones already listed in the article. And if we're going by your defintion of "memorable" or "notable" I'd certainly say it is greater than Newcastle 1-2 Sunderland (November, 2000) and Newcastle 3-2 Sunderland from the same season. Why are you picking out this one in particular?


 * Personally, I do not nominate this section for deletion. Mark272 23:51, 20 October 2006 (UTC)


 * And why is there no mention of the Play Off Game? Far, far more significant than most of those written about. —Preceding unsigned comment added by God Save the Tsar (talk • contribs) 02:05, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


 * also right it was Shearers last ever proffessional game of football, being the match where an England legend went out i believe it makes this quite notable, also the 2-1 loss to the mackems was also quite notable as it was Gullits last match in charge and it shows the very plight we were in when he was here, Crabman out Crabman123 15:52, 21 October 2006 (UTC)


 * You make a sound point, I suppose. It was Shearer's last game. Forget it, then. Loonitreefrog 16:00, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Am I the only one who finds it odd that this "neutral" list only includes Sunderland wins? Jared s 22 (talk) 04:02, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Personally, I find the whole section of the article completely irrelevant. I mean even as a Newcastle fan, I know that the play off game and the 9-1 defeat are important landmarks, but to judge what the best matches are is rather subjective. Personally, I don't think that either the 3-1 victory to Newcastle in 1985, nor the 2008 2-1 win to Sunderland are all that notable. This section would be greatly improved if it was an actual written piece, rather than just a chronological list of matches. danwhite89 06:33, July 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.29.3.216 (talk)

Crossing the divide
Can anyone find details on players playing for both Newcastle United and Sunderland in the Tyne-Wear derby as a section like on the North London derby section. Kingjamie 13:25, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Very glaring omission from the players who have played for both Newcastle United and Sunderland was Bobby Moncur - a huge part of Newcastle United's last trophy success (the old Fairs Cup) who went on to play for Sunderland after he left Newcastle. 296 appearances for Newcastle and 86 for Sunderland —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.210.176.14 (talk) 16:49, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Unique?
Tyne-Wear is not the only inter city rivalry, so can't be described as 'unique'. Dan Kerins 09:17, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Deletion of History of the Tyne-Wear Derby
The article "History of the Tyne-Wear Derby" was deleted. I'm keeping a temporary copy at Talk:Tyne-Wear derby/History of the Tyne-Wear Derby, just in case there's anything useful there to merge here. Nabla 21:26, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * No one used it, deleted. - Nabla 16:10, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

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Tyne Wear record
There is a link at the end of the article which takes you to a comprehensive head to head record of NUFC v SAFC. 53 wins apiece. However it shows that SAFC’s 53 wins includes two in non-major competitions (essentially friendlies). The first on 3rd August 74 is a 2-1 SAFC win in the Texaco Cup. The second on 6 August 1975 is a 2-0 win in the Anglo-Scottish Cup. In major competitions NUFC have won 53 and SAFC 51. If contributors insist on editing to show 53 wins apiece then they should make clear the breakdown of competitions for those wins.

“No point on reasoning” because you simply can’t change facts. Wassel Newman (talk) 19:55, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Undid revision 1080116670 by Wassel Newman (talk) No point/reasoning in this as results are detailed in 3 sources all stating the same results

Yip. They all show two of SAFC 53 wins came in the Texaco Cup (1974) and the Anglo-Scottish Cup (1975). Essentially glorified friendlies. Wassel Newman (talk) 20:09, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

By replacing the Texaco Cup and Anglo Scottish Cup ties from the results breakdown and replacing them with League wins, it’s essentially falsifying the figures. No surprise at SAFC fans trying to change history!! Wassel Newman (talk) 20:22, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

User Wassel Newman is persistently changing sourced information which therefore makes the information incorrect. I noticed in a reply to another user they say "you can't change facts" followed by "No surprise at SAFC fans trying to change history!!" yet they are the one changing facts and history as results have been sourced 3 times and they don't match up with what Wassel Newman is persistently changing and as a result is vandalising the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.150.139.94 (talk) 18:30, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

The very three sources that Anonymous SAFC supporter references make clear that two of SAFC’s wins were not in major trophies.

Check them. Wins in the Texaco Trophy and Anglo-Scottish Cup in August 1974 and 1975.

Anonymous SAFC fan can try to delete the facts on Wikipedia but the facts remain.

NUFC have won 2 more games in major competitions. I’d have more respect for them if they just admitted it. Wassel Newman (talk) 19:31, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

They were once recognized competitions and the sources also say that, the sources also specify not recognized competitions head-to-head records and they don't fall within that category. Therefore the results are as is, 53 wins each and 50 draws. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.150.139.94 (talk) 19:59, 6 April 2022 (UTC)