Talk:Tyne and Wear Metro

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please delete the silly section about a middlesbrough loop. it is original research that is being allowed to fester

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Red Line and Purple Line
I have a map from the 1990s with a Red Line from Benton to Pelaw and a Purple Line from North Shields to St James, presumably with higher frequencies on these sub-routes of the Yellow Line. Are these worth mentioning? 14:01, 18 April 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C6:148A:9B01:A971:1736:AAE3:2686 (talk)
 * WP:BOLD - go for it, but don't forget to cite the map. And if it gets reverted, then they should have a good reason to do so. Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 05:53, 19 April 2022 (UTC)


 * If you can find a reliable secondary source which explains why these lines existed, that would be even better! Unexpectedlydian (talk) 11:23, 19 April 2022 (UTC)


 * What you are talking about is this map (see right). Its Commons description is simply "An old metro map sign - National Railway Museum, York" --10mmsocket (talk) 11:59, 19 April 2022 (UTC)


 * The map has Palmersville (opened 1986) but not Airport (opened 1991) so it is dated at sometime between these two points it time. --10mmsocket (talk) 16:01, 19 April 2022 (UTC)


 * This article already states "Originally, there was also a Red Line between Heworth (later Pelaw) and Benton and a Blue Line between St James and North Shields. Additional trains ran on these lines during peak hours to increase the frequency at the busier stations." and as a plus the statement is actually referenced. So adding the picture of the map close to the content would be a good value-add. --10mmsocket (talk) 15:54, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Police
Thanks to @Mattdaviesfsic for removing the unsourced claim about police coverage. I have thought about this a couple of time. Personal experience (WP:OR) is of seeing Northumbria officers on the network on the bits I travel most frequently - airport to city and city to Tynemouth. Google shows me that BTP's social media posts only talk about incidents in the bits of the network that the removed information says that they cover. However, I can find no definitive info on Nexus, BTP, Northumbria Police, Northumbria PCC that definitively states who covers what bit of the Metro network. Thus I'm inclined to leave anything to do with policing out of any Metro articles - unless anyone can find references to prove different. 10mmsocket (talk) 07:55, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Tyne & Wear Metro is not light rail
According to the acts which allowed for the building of the Tyne & Wear Metro, the Tyne & Wear Metro is a Metropilatn railway which can be shorted to Metro and is not a light rail because the light rail acts apply to the Heritage Railway. Tyne and Wear Passenger Transport Act 1979 (legislation.gov.uk) Tyneside Metropolitan Railway Act 1973 (legislation.gov.uk) The Tyne and Wear Metro (Rateable Values) Order 1984 (legislation.gov.uk) I Like The british Rail Class 483 (talk) 20:40, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
 * It doesn't mean that sort of light rail, it means light rail as in a tram like system. It's included in the government's statistics for light rail and trams so the government clearly regards it as a light rail system. G-13114 (talk) 21:53, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
 * But the government also saying it is not light rail at the same time in the acts. So maybe it would be best to remove the light rail part since it seems to be contradicted by each other. They both say it is a rapid transit system. I Like The british Rail Class 483 (talk) 19:21, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
 * It's been defined as both in reliable sources, it can be more than one thing. G-13114 (talk) 20:03, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Indeed, it is a hybrid system. In the case of the Tyneside Metropolitan Railway Act 1973, it mentions on page 5 that even sections of light railway are included. On top that, by definition a rapid railway doesn't have any level crossings with other traffic. Wikipedia needs to reflect all of these views on this specific rail network. KatVanHuis (talk) 09:18, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
 * And this research paper adds the following at page 105: "Tyne and Wear Metro is one of three metro systems in the UK, although it is not a typical metro system as there is a number of level crossings and some sections of the rails are shared with rail regional services." & "However, due to its regional scope, instead of urban, it has the smallest number of stations per kilometre."
 * In this way (using light rail vehicles on a mainline track) it could even be categorised as a tram-train, beating Sheffield by a few decades. KatVanHuis (talk) 08:04, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Not equiv to a tram system
This network is not equivalent to a tram network. It mentions Manchester's trams. It is not street running trams. It is more like a smaller version of Merseyrail. The comparison should be removed. 152.37.85.6 (talk) 18:48, 29 March 2024 (UTC)