Talk:Types of gestures/Archive 1

Recommend a merge back into Hand gesture.
This article duplicates Hand gesture. I don't know which came first, but Hand gesture is linked to more than this article. Rather than simply delete, someone should check to see if this article has any unigue stuff in it. -Arch dude 18:27, 10 December 2006 (UTC)


 * The only unique thing in this article is the hand and body gesture section. That's the only thing that should be merged. What do u ppl think?3L3CTRIC 33L 17:24, 22 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Merge as soon as possible before it forks too far! What was this guy thinking? 83.67.217.254 21:11, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

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"Three Fingers" - Boy Scout Salute
I admit it has been just about thirty-five years since the last time I was in a Scout uniform, but the last time I looked, the Scout Sign and the Scout Salute were done with the left hand, not the right. I will be editing the article accordingly. F117-A (talk) 18:34, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Me ne frego

 * Scratching under the chin
 * In Italian culture this represents "I don't care, I can't be bothered".

I think that in Italian, it would be Me ne frego, that was taken as a motto by the Italian fascism. Should it be mentioned? --Error (talk) 23:40, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Facepalm
Think we could get a picture of the Picard facepalm in here? xenocidic (talk) 17:11, 9 April 2008 (UTC) The facepalm isn't only consternation before self-stupidity, it's consternation before any stupidity that should have been self-obvious. If somebody around you says something very dull without realizing it, a facepalm is a theatrical way to show that it was stupid beyond words. :) - Orme 82.127.225.39 (talk)

If I recall the V-sign can be used as a fertility symbol or symbol of cuckoldry (eg. in french genre paintings), a modified version is also used to indicate Richard Nixon. --Hrimpurstala (talk) 04:03, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * For the fertility part, true, but must be used as a joke without the recipient's knowledge, typically by making rabit ears behind his head without him noticing while others are watching.
 * And never point a V-sign at somebody, it's a curse nicknamed devil's horns where you wish for all sorts of plagues to befall the guy you aim at, like when Satan was tormenting Job in the bible. It's the equivalent of yelling out loud at somebody « I wish you die from the plague », it's not only rude but also ridiculous and old-fashioned. - Orme 82.127.225.39 (talk)

Corna
Shouldn't this page mention Corna? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Slipgrid (talk • contribs) 20:21, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

hip hop gestures
I would be interested in knowing more about the hand gestures used by rap and hip hop artists. Not being of that culture it seems to be a threatening in your face type message, like trying to pick a street fight, by rasing your hands in front of somebody you're talking to. Is that what it's supposed to be? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.91.64.156 (talk) 19:27, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

This needs to be in the article unless an administrator deems otherwise
This section is absolutely factual, and if deleted, it will be continually reinstated into the article's text until an administrator adjudicates otherwise. I lived in the Philippines a good, long while, and this is entirely factual. I myself made the "faux pas" of interpreting their come hither gestures as "get lost" gestures. Here is the text in question:
 * "In the Philippines, the 'come here' gesture has a meaning quite counterintuitive to most Westerners: the forearm and hand are held up over the chest with the palm facing toward the one whom is to be beckoned. The hand and fingers are then waved and curled in the direction of the one being asked to come. In much of the world this is readily interpreted as a 'go away gesture. This Philippine-used come hither gesture is the most often used hand gesture to indicate for someone to come toward the sender of the message. It is particularly used on the island of Luzon among Ilocano speakers." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.59.65.122 (talk) 19:15, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

I took the liberty of reformatting the quotation for easier reading. —Tamfang (talk) 02:44, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Wordbuilder
WHAT'S THE MATTER, OFFENDED THAT YOUR PRECIOUS FOX NEWS WAS MENTIONED IN REFERENCE TO A MOMENT OF STUPIDITY? IT IS A PERFECTLY VALID THING THAT I PUT. PUT IT BACK.75.138.208.198 (talk) 15:32, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * First, please refer to WP:AGF and WP:NPA. Second, do not type using all caps. Third, the removal was based on the fact that the addition is uncited. It wasn't because I'm trying to protect Fox News, which I do not even watch or listen to. Please see WP:CITE. Thank you. →Wordbuilder (talk) 15:39, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I WILL TYPE IN ALL CAPS IF I WISH TO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AT LEAST YOU EXPLAINED YOUR ACTIONS AND NOW I AM DONE HERE. 75.138.208.198 (talk) 16:04, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Awkward Turtle
The citations for the Awkward Turtle at both Standford and Harvard are no longer useful links. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.178.171.57 (talk) 22:52, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know why Wikipedia is so vehemently anti-awkward turtle. Originally it was objected to as not notable enough, and now people are complaining about lack of sources.  This ENTIRE ARTICLE is lacking sources.  Why the cite needed tag on that one entry and not the others?  Anyway, diatribe aside, here are some sources:
 * http://media.www.thelantern.com/media/storage/paper333/news/2008/03/06/Arts/Awkward.Turtle.Saves.My.Life-3256065.shtml
 * http://media.www.browndailyherald.com/media/storage/paper472/news/2006/02/03/Columns/Andrew.Stein.06.If.Being.Awkward.Is.Cool.Im.Miles.Davis-1598494.shtml (from Brown's student paper)
 * http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=510653 (Harvard's paper.. it's still there)
 * http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=512435 (also Harvards paper... doesn't describe how it's formed)
 * http://daily.stanford.edu/article/2007/5/4/sickSadWorldDateapalooza (Stanford's paper... doesn't describe how it's formed)
 * So, I'm gonna remove the awkward turtle specific citation needed tag now. : ) nhinchey (talk) 09:15, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Questions
From reading the article, it's unclear for me whether "The fig sign" has a meaning of "nothing" (as "what i get" "a fig") also in English speaking world?

Second, what about other signs 1) open whole hand and hit very fast your neck two times (with tips of the fingers) to indicate drinking 2) hide your thumb within fist (to bring good luck), keep/hold the thumbs for someone/something Should tey be included within article? Szopen (talk) 11:15, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Bent Elbow seen in movies.
Probably just as well I can't put it in at the moment, but I thought I should mention it and see if it's worth including. It occurred to me that the Mel Brooks space movie parody Spaceballs makes fun of the Bent Elbow gesture. Should this be mentioned eventually in the section, being as it a use (though parodic) in film?—68.10.101.122 (talk) 06:36, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

The "kiss my ass" gesture
I'm tempted to add the "kiss my ass" gesture (as in slapping one's own rear, sometimes while the rear is turned toward someone), but before I proceed, I'd like to see of people know more about the gesture than I have already come up with. I already know it is a gesture of defiance, sorta telling the recipient where they can stick their request or feelings on a matter, but is there more on where it came from, whether the gesture is specific to the west or the Americas, or whatever? Since the page is semi-protected, I wished to provide a fairly fleshed-out description before proceeding to add it under gestures involving the body.—WhosAsking (talk) 16:40, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * What you're talking about is independent research, so not actually permissible by Wikipedia standards. nhinchey (talk) 09:06, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

BUNNY EARS

The symbol in Europe means a man is being cheated on by his wife and he doesn't know...in other words, he's being cuckold. This is why the sign is both made in secret to the person with the bunny ears on and is supposed to cause embarrassment. I think the meaning got lost in the US, but that meaning was the first one. The horns (or ears) in the symbolism represent a bull not a bunny. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.255.101.58 (talk) 17:27, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Facepalm discrepancy
The description of a facepalm is inconsistent with the picture of it's execution.--MrFishGo Fish 02:25, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Wanker gesture in Portugal
The interpretation of this gesture is not correct. It actually meant that someone got/will get fucked, and implied a forceful penetration of this other person's genitalia or anus. To emphasize the gesture, the person would do it at waist level.

I have also observed a similar gesture in France and Brazil but with a meaning of "fucking hard", as when mentioning a difficult situation or action. But then the gesture would be done at chest level.

Disclaimer: I grew up in Portugal, but have not lived there for 10 years now. My observations are based on my teen years in Lisbon (mid-1980's to mid-1990's). --Pjmtavares (talk) 00:38, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

"Got ass-fucked" gesture in Brazil
A gesture that I find very expressive and colorful, and as far as I know is used only in Brazil, is performed (in the case of a right-handed person) by clenching the left fist (with the thumb against the index and middle fingers) and then vigorously clapping the palm of the right hand against the "hole" formed in the clenched fist, next to thumb articulation. The "hole" obviously represents the anus, anal sex and homosexuality being extremely popular topics for jokes and sexual allusions, in Brazil. --Pjmtavares (talk) 00:38, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Fig
In Macedonia we also have the fig sign and it's used in the very same way as in other former Yugoslav countries, but the person making the gesture will say, "шипки!" (something like the English word zilch). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.221.86.108 (talk) 11:11, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Fig

In Slovakia (eastern part of former Czechoslovakia) is this sign well known as "figa borova" ("the fig from pine tree") - it means illusorines or unreality, in the main in meaning to "no profit" or "no money", generally "nothing".