Talk:Typhoid fever/Archive 1

Readability problems?
The first paragraph states: "Common worldwide, it is transmitted by the ingestion of food or water contaminated with feces from jtn." Although there is a bookmark to "jtn", shouldn't it be made immediately more apparent to what exactly "jtn" is? It just seems too technical even for an encyclopaedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BozRetro (talk • contribs) 00:17, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

I thought that when writing academically, one should reference an abreviation by its full title when it is used for the first time (with the abreviation given in brackets). I don't think it is clear what 'PMS's' stands for in the first paragraph. It could be 'pre menstrual syndrome', which is what comes up when an internet search is made but i dont think that can be correct. Bawdekin (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 07:26, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

oops it's 'PMN's'... well there's an example as to why it is important to usekookok ull name not the abreviation! Bawdekin (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 07:28, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't think this article is very accessible to the average Wikipedia user - it is important to include medical terms, but perhaps in parentheses after descriptions in more "lay-mans" terms. It reads like it was cut and pasted out of a medical students textbook, though I doubt medical students would find Wikipedia articles to be all that enlightening. The audience who would read this article would likely go elsewhere for information (CDC has a much better description that is much more accessible). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.83.248.235 (talk) 18:20, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Famous typhoid victims that wet queer
William the Conqueror died of Typhoid? [] says "died...from abdominal injuries received from his saddle pommel whenhe fell off a horse at the Siege of Mantes."


 * typhoid fever******

Typhoid Mary is an integral part of the Typhoid folklore (see, for example, http://www.snopes.com/medical/disease/typhoid.htm ). She deserves a line or two.


 * Though I do agree with you, unnamed person, that "Typhoid Mary is an integral part of the Typhoid folklore", she only carried the bacteria, and was never victimised by it.James.Denholm 09:37, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Which is true?
I have two encyclopedias. One states that a patient can also become infected with Salmonella typhi through his/her skin. According to the other, the only means of diffusion of the bacterium is ingestion. Which one is right? Devil Master 20:59, 26 Aug 2005 (MET)

Famous Victims
In the famous victims section of the article, Typhoid Mary is listed. However, the article on Mary Mallon states that she did not die of typhoid fever but of pneumonia. Although she is a famous victim (and therefore belongs in the section) it seems appropriate to reword the section so it doesn't imply that she died of the disease. Does anyone disagree? - Sbeitzel 18:57, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Not at all, the reason Typhoid Mary is so well known is that she was an asymptomatic carrier who passed it on to dozens of people when she went to the USA. The reason she was able to pass it on to so many people is because she didn't die of it. Take it from me, it's hard to pass Typhoid on to people when you're symptomatic... It's hard enough to leave your bed. mr_john 11:00, 27 December 2005

The problem remains that in this article it says she died of a stroke and in the article specifically about her it says she died of pneumonia. Which is it? 59.167.153.238 15:48, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

My word a day desk calendar says that after she was quarantined the 1st time she was found working at a maternity hospital and was identified as the source of a new outbreak, then she was forcibly returned to quarantine where she remained until her death. Can anyone confirm this?

I don't think Alexander the Great ought to be included on the "Famous Victims" list, as the cause of death is hardly definitively known. Malaria, West Nile Virus, Pancreatitis, and even poisoning have been suggested. The evidence is limited and Alexander's body has never been found...I think including him here, at least without some indication of the level of doubt, is inappropriate.Elakazal 20:01, 24 September 2006 (UTC) Borza and J. Reames-Zimmerman, Ancient World 31.1 (2000), pp. 22-30; cf. Oldach and Borza, New England Journal of Medicine 338.24 (June 11, 1998), pp. 1764-69. Maybe he should be included then? Boourns75 (talk) 17:15, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * (*)There is a somewhat strong consensus that Alexander the great died of typhoid fever, exacerbated by Bereavement. See E.

--How reliable antibiotics are-- I got typhoid and was given antibiotics, but then after a week i got jaundice. when jaudice was cured, i got fever again. But all of my blood test showed that I had no problem. Then some doctors suggested me that it is because of overdose of antibiotics that were given to me at the time of typhoid.

Will Rogers died in a plane crash, not of typhoid fever. Was he listed here because he had been ill with it at some point in his life? I looked at his biography, but didn't see it mentioned. Kimkins 11:38, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Removed Caroline Harrison, since she died of tuberculosis. Dr. Dan 19:54, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Surely Frank McCourt is still alive! He has published a book this year (2007) and there is no news of his death. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.5.60.42 (talk) 08:39, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

I removed Akif Ali Janjua, it is the only name on the list that does not have its own Wikipedia page and after a Google search, the only times the name is brought up is mirrors to this page, so I think it was vandalism. --D.c.camero (talk) 04:02, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

I deleted Anne Frank under famous victims because she died of Typhus, not Thyphoid. These are two unrelated diseases. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.128.178.33 (talk) 20:43, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Osama Bin Laden
I think its a little premature to put one unsubstantiated accound of OBL's death due to typhoid in here-- or to rewrite it to reflect the uncertianty around the claim.

SDB

Agreed. Removed until confirmed. 24.4.196.194 14:47, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

I didn't even think he was dead. Perhaps this incident is an act of vandalisim?James.Denholm 07:59, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Osama bin Laden - part two

 * As noted above, reports of Osama bin Laden's death due to "typhoid" are conjectural at this point. Wikipedia is not a news sources, nor a crystal ball. Please refrain from adding him to the List of typhoid victims until solid confimation has occured (or, more likely, not). -- MarcoTolo 21:06, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Stub
Someone at 24.250.22.58 just added a stub tag to this article. I can't see any possible way this could be considered a stub, so I'm taking it down. --Jemiller226 02:22, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Expansion requests - symptoms
This article has no information on the symptoms and pathology of the disease. It goes right into diagnosis, treatment, and history. -Timvasquez 21:24, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Terms in "Treatment:Resistance" Section
As I understand it, MIC can refer to both "mean inhibitory concentration" and "minimum inhibitory concentration". Is there a distinction to be made between the two? If so, should this acronym be expanded the first time it is used in this article?

Also, the shortened form of ciprofloxacin (CIP) is not used until the third time the antibiotic is mentioned. This seems sloppy to me. Am I alone? Noneus 02:00, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Franz Schubert
I have added that Schubert may have died of other illness, not just typhoid. He had syphilis since 1822 and was taking mercury for it. So, naturally, it could have been a number of things that killed him. Little evidence remains today. 65.255.130.104 23:52, 9 January 2007 (UTC)VonR

Cleanup Food section
What is the purpose of this section? It says things like "Light soups can be taken " but doesn't say when, or why. If it's treatment, it should go in the Typhoid fever section.

Each item says "should be {avoided/taken}" which is a little awkard.

Citations are also missing. — JBazuzi (talk • contribs) 14:57, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, this sounds like home remedies instead of treatment. Without references I think this section is small enough to be deleted. For now I just commented it out though Pullarius1 20:55, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

What does S.typhi do?
My book uses the term "toxins", but also talks about "septical metastases". What exactly happens when infected with the bacterium? thanks! 86.85.133.102 12:37, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

salmonellosis
I frequently hear of salmonellosis being equated with typhoid fever. According to the salmonellosis article, infection with Typhoidal Salmonella can lead to typhoid fever. Is this to mean that one can contract that salmonella but not get typhoid fever? Would someone who's more familiar with this please edit this article accordingly? Frotz 07:48, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

salmonellosis is a generalisation for diseases caused by Salmonella Bacteria--Kingkyle222 09:46, 18 September 2007 (UTC).

-oid suffix
the latin suffix "-iod" means "similiar to". this is in my biology homework, and I'm supposed to define certain terms (one of which is typhoid fever) based on their prefix or suffix. i have looked everywhere i could think of, but cannot figure what "similiar to" has anything to do with typhoid fever. obviously there must be some reason, so could someone please tell me and possible include it in the article. Thanks, &#39;&#39;&#39;Connör&#39;&#39;&#39; 18:28, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I think it's "oid" because it's similar to typhus. Im.a.lumberjack (talk) 18:02, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

I think because the disease is similar in its symptoms to typhus, and in fact was not distinguished as a separate disease until comparitively recently. But exactly when it was distinguished, in what circumstances and by whom, I don't know. Must have been post-Koch. Anyone got the answer to this one?

213.7.17.51 (talk) 07:32, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

The name of " typhoid " was given by Louis in 1829, as a derivative from typhus. Until a comparatively recent period typhoid was not distinguished from typhus. For, although it had been noticed that the course of the disease and its morbid anatomy were different from those of ordinary cases of typhus, it was believed that they merely represented a variety of that malady. The distinction between the two diseases appears to have been first accurately made in 1836. [Britannica1911].

213.7.17.51 (talk) 13:56, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

The famous Pierre Louis in 1829 gave a classical picture of typhoid and described in detail post-mortem findings, especially the enlargement and ulceration of the Peyer's patches. He was also the first to use the word "Typhoid". He, however, did not clearly differentiate between typhoid and typhus, which were undoubtedly sometimes confused. It remained for Gerhard in 1837 to be the first to differentiate clearly between the typhoid and typhus fevers. Again it was on the clinical picture alone that this was done. He described the more acute onset of typhus with typical rash. Even after Gerhard's paper in 1837 most medical critics were unconvinced that the typhoid and typhus fevers were of different aetiology. Jenner in 1850, long before S. typhi was discovered, put the matter beyond all reasonable doubt in an admirable and detailed comparison of the two diseases, based on clinical and post-mortem appearances of 66 fatal cases. He showed how the general symptoms differed in the two diseases, that the rash was never identical and how the lesions of Peyer's patches and the mesenteric glands, so characteristic of typhoid, were never seen in typhus. With the publication of this paper the question was settled once and for all.

213.7.17.51 (talk) 14:01, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

fixed..
I added after the final because it was cutting off the page. (it was the 'ref' just before the list of famous people with typhoid. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BruceD270 (talk • contribs) 18:55, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Fixed vandalism on Symptoms section
See comment title. Cheers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.203.75.7 (talk) 05:36, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Too many medical terms.
The description of symptoms etal. belongs in a medical wikipedia. I suggest that this area is redone so that a lay person may better understand. Instead of the word "leucopenia" use "is a decrease in the number of circulating white blood cells". We aren't writing just to medical students in this wiki. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.196.81.152 (talk) 14:40, 5 October 2008 (UTC)


 * While better introductory lead-ins for each section may be needed, I disagree with removing "overly medical terms". In my opinion, the correct way to deal with the issue is to take advantage of the linking ability of electronic data: "leucopenia" is a link (i.e. leukopenia), allowing those unfamiliar with the term to immediately get a definition, while maintaing the precision and succinctness of medical terminology. -- MarcoTolo (talk) 21:03, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

"Heterozygous advantage"
This section has no citations. I thus cannot tell if it is true. "It is thought". . . by whom? Pittsburgh Poet (talk) 23:12, 14 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I added a reference to address this. -- MarcoTolo (talk) 01:08, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Danke. Pittsburgh Poet (talk) 22:00, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Hey, I´m not a pro, but if i am on the english page for typhoid fever and switch to German - the page says typhus Typhus - which is something different right - can you change that?

yours raphael —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.117.27.230 (talk) 19:32, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Holocaust
Why isnt it mentioned that infact most of so called holocaust victims died of this particular illness? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.156.138.236 (talk) 03:05, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * because it really does't fit into this catagory, put it on the holocaust page and send a link to this page...--24.216.121.135 (talk) 21:24, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Map of Incidence of typhoid fever with no update
I live in Chile and I know that typhoid fever was endemic in the 80's and before, but then there was an important campaign to prevent more ill people. I'm now 21 years old, and I've never seen an epidemic outbreak, the typhoid fever is no more endemic in Chile since more than 20 years, so I don't know what are the references to the Map, I just can say the info displayed in the map is not acurate nor true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.112.67.226 (talk) 03:33, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

"Typhoid does not affect animals/does affect animals"
It states that typhoid does not affect animals. Then later states that it does. Which is it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.198.78.141 (talk) 03:09, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Duplicate page at "Typhoid"?
There is also a much smaller page at "Typhoid". They should probably be combined. Does anyone know how to do this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.158.223.4 (talk) 20:03, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Lancet review
10.1016/S0140-6736(13)62708-7 JFW &#124; T@lk  15:42, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Typhus
This is mentioned in the second paragraph. It does not need to be the first sentence. I do not see the justification that "people will not read the first couple paragraphs" of the article as justification to put it sooner. If people care that little about the topic they will likely not find it at all. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 07:36, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Consistency between articles
We should try to reconcile these two articles. They use the same sources. --Lucas559 (talk) 20:45, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
 * "They are about 30 to 80% effective for about three years.[1][2]" from vaccine article
 * "A typhoid vaccine can prevent about 50% to 70% of cases.[5][9] The vaccine may be effective for up to seven years.[1] " from main article
 * I updated and explained differences, including the newer recombinant conjugate. The 2007 Cochrane cited on the fever page has been superseded by the 2014 review. I deleted the numbers on the fever page since it links to the vaccine page with the information. Information on the Vi-EPA needs to be added to Vi capsular polysaccharide vaccine. Will do later, but not this week. juanTamad (talk) 02:25, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Adjusted and based on the Cochrane review. Each vaccine varies a bit. Have moved the specifics to the body. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 09:23, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Brazil as an endemic zone
The map illustrating the distribution of cases in the world shows Brazil as an endemic region. Where is that map and its data coming from? According to the Ministry of Health of Brazil's official data (http://portalsaude.saude.gov.br/images/pdf/2014/julho/30/Febre-Tifoide---Planilha-Casos-Febre-Tifoide---Brasil.pdf), between 2000 and 2014, there were only 5450 confirmed cases (avg 363 per year) in a population of 200 million persons. Considering that the number of cases in the world is estimated to be between 16 million and 33 million per year, Brazilian cases account for about 0.002% (16.000.000) or 0.001% (33.000.000) of that total. For comparison, CDC reports an estimated number of 5700 cases per year in the US (http://www.cdc.gov/nczved/divisions/dfbmd/diseases/typhoid_fever/technical.html). I would like to remove that map if we can't prove its data is correct.Braziliancritic (talk) 06:44, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

Pain in the back, rib joints, and joints
People often suffer from pain in the back, rib joints and other joints as well. This is not in the article.198.229.242.126 (talk) 04:15, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Deaths need refs

 * Roger Sherman, one of the Founding Fathers of the United States, died of typhoid fever in 1793.
 * Abigail Adams, wife of Founding Father and President John Adams and mother of the sixth President John Quincy Adams, died of typhoid fever on October 28, 1818, at the age of 73.
 * Prince Albert, husband of Queen Victoria, died of typhoid fever at the age of 42.
 * Gen. Ignacio Zaragoza, general in the Mexican army in charge of the Battle of Puebla on May 5, 1862, died of typhoid fever on September 8, 1862, at the age of 33, shortly after his victory over the French army.
 * Louisa May Alcott, author of Little Women, contracted typhoid while serving as a nurse at a hospital in Washington, D.C. in 1862-1863, but survived.
 * Princess Leopoldina of Brazil, daughter of Emperor Pedro II of Brazil, died of typhoid fever on February 7, 1871, at the age of 23.
 * Leland Stanford, Jr., who died of typhoid in 1884; his parents founded Stanford University in his memory.* Major Gonville Bromhead, who fought in the Battle of Rorke's Drift, depicted in the film Zulu, died of typhoid fever in India in 1891.
 * Thoby Stephen, brother of Virginia Woolf, died of Typhoid following an operation to repair his intestine, in his Bloomsbury home in 1906 at age 26. Typhoid was contracted on a holiday in Greece with siblings Vanessa, Virginia and Adrian.
 * Wilbur Wright, the older of the two Wright brothers, died of typhoid on May 30, 1912.
 * Edith Claypole, a British scientist, died of typhoid in 1915. She acquired the disease while preparing vaccinations for WWI troops, despite the protection of having been vaccinated herself.
 * Louis Napoleon George Filon, former Vice Chancellor of London University 1933–35 died of typhoid fever following a local outbreak in Croydon, South London, in 1937.
 * Huang Tzu, Chinese musician, died of typhoid fever in 1938.
 * Mary Mallon, "Typhoid Mary", developed a chronic infection of her gall bladder and is presumed to have infected 51 people over her career as a cook; she was forced to live in quarantine for years and died of pneumonia in 1938.

Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 09:54, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
 * One question is whether that section is really needed. Typhoid was a relatively common disease (still is in places), do we really need a section on people it has killed? Tarl N. (talk) 14:34, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
 * For the notable people / cases we often have sections like this. I have no strong position as long as it is referenced. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 16:32, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm also ambivalent on whether or not the list of notables who died of the disease is worth including in the article. If the list is relatively large, we could consider making a separate list article. If we're not going to remove the info entirely, then I can poke around and look for some refs. Ajpolino (talk) 00:17, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
 * We sometimes split this off into pages such as List of people with epilepsy Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 09:55, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

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notable cases
might also include Wilbur Wright — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.20.246.219 (talk) 04:56, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

The why is addressed but not the how, who and when of the name.
Who dubbed it typhoid fever, when did that happen and how did it get differentiated from typhus would all be great things to learn from the article. The main reason I came here after reading about the 80% die off of the Aztec survivors of their 2 prior small pox epidemics. Alatari (talk) 01:30, 17 January 2018 (UTC)