Talk:Typhoons in the Philippines

Todo
This thing should be finished first. However, it makes little sense to have a list of every tropical cyclone impacting the Philippines. To the article creator, you should consider making this similar to the Catastrophic hurricanes of Florida pages. Only the deadliest and costliest should be listed. Or, you could do it by decade, for example, and list every typhoon that cuased, let's say, 10 deaths in the Philippines and go into some detail. Hurricanehink 18:36, 16 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Noticed a change in the Tropical Cyclone Wind Signals and the TC Categories without any official announcement by PAGASA. By the way, an internal source says they will announce the revision by March 23rd. ManilaTC (talk) 11:50, 10 March 2022.

Baguio to Bagyo
I am changing baguio to bagyo. If the correct term is baguio, I need sources.--Jondel 04:13, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Found it thanks to Jordz and just to clarify: Baguio is the Spanish spelling adopted for English.--Jondel 01:58, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

The word baguio with the meaning as storm or typhoon is depracated even if it exists in the glossary of the American Metereological Society. I will make a note should the same issue come up again.--Jondel 07:08, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

For future reference: (Using Baguio)

1. http://eob.gsfc.nasa.gov/Library/Hurricanes/ 2. http://www.bookrags.com/sciences/earthscience/tropical-cyclone-woes-02.html 3. http://members.tripod.com/~MitchellBrown/almanac/disasters_hurricanes.html 4. http://dmcengr.wisc.edu/courses/hazards/BB02-05.html 5. http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/atmosphere/q0242.shtml 6. http://science.enotes.com/earth-science/tropical-cyclone 7. http://www.irinnews.org/webspecials/DR/Definitions.asp 8. http://webuccs.edu/geogenvs/ges100-online/Chapt7.doc


 * I agree to the terms. --Howard t he Du c k 03:22, 13 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Uh, I don't understand. What terms? The above are references to baguio as a typhoon. I thought you were opposed to the usage as a typhoon?--Jondel 04:40, 13 July 2006 (UTC)


 * At least there was a "depreciated by Filipinos" part. --Howard t he Du c k 14:45, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Redirect to category
Chacor redirect this article to the related category earlier today. I've reverted that as an inappropriate cross-space redirect. Whilst this article currently reads as a highly incomplete list, it can be retasked into a potentially very useful article. If it is focussed on PAGASAs role in TYs, effects of typhoons in general in the Philippines, records and a few significant storms, as opposed to a long list of storms (which could be completed), this could be a potentially very useful article. In any case such a move should be discussed first, I see no reason for such a contraversial move.--Nilfanion (talk) 15:39, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
 * (ediit conflict) Agreed, and good idea on where it should go. As for the few significant storms, I think at the least all storms retired for their destruction in the Philippines should be mentioned. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 16:02, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
 * PAGASA has named storms since 1963. There is no way that this could ever become useful as a list; it isn't even updated. A LOT has to be done to save this "article". Also, it never was a move; don't term it as one. – Chacor 16:01, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I meant move as in to "take an action" not to use the move function.--Nilfanion (talk) 16:09, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

2006 storms
I'm planning on creating 2006 storms list. Is this a good idea? -- Howard  the   Duck  11:35, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Given we already record all the Philippine storms at the yearly article, I can't really see the point. – Chacor 11:37, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Just go direct to the point. -- Howard  the   Duck  12:30, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

FYI, the country gets blasted by about 20 storms each year, if we'll include all of them. this will be very, very looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong. -- Howard  the   Duck  08:49, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I think what was said above by Nilfanion was a good idea; only include the most notable ones, records, and Philippine typhoons in general. There's no need to list every storm that affected the Philippines. It would be impractical. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 15:50, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Although I agree, classifying storms on which should appear here would be hard. The current storm (Queenie), even though the weather bureau raised the storm signals to the highest level (#4), had zero casualties (as of last night), while several weak storms (like Chedeng, forgot the international name) had casualties. -- Howard  the   Duck  02:45, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Umm... this year's "C" was "Caloy", used for Typhoon Chanchu (2006), not all that weak... – Chacor 02:50, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I was refering to Tropical Storm Chedeng. -- Howard   the   Duck  03:11, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm thinking we only include the costliest and deadliest, maybe only 10 to 20. All of the typhoons with their international names retired should be mentioned, for example. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 02:54, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * How about the storms with strongest winds, most inches of rain (unless they also wrecked a lot of damage)? -- Howard  the   Duck  03:11, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe something like that could work. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 03:29, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

So, should we move this page to something like "2006 Philippine typhoon impacts"? – Chacor 08:31, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd rather format this page like List of Delaware hurricanes. -- Howard  the   Duck  11:57, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Upgrade to article
Placed all information in the article within a table, and added the related tropical cyclone rainfall maxima into the article into a new section. Also, the article itself was not in the proper format for wikipedia, which has now been rectified. With all the changes made, and inline references finally existing, upped the article to Start class. Thegreatdr (talk) 05:39, 20 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I think this is a great plan for how to make an article like this work. Listing every typhoon in the Philippines would be overkill, since it'd be endless. Also, since this avoids the "list of" in the title, it is much more of an article, which works well. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 15:21, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Pronunciation or meaning of dagger: †Bagyo
It's not clear how the dagger should be pronounced in "†Bagyo" and no guide is provided. If it is being used as a reference, an asterisk placed *after* the word "Bagyo" is clearer. Wakablogger2 (talk) 05:48, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Number of typhoons per year
This article states that the high for number of tropical cyclones moving through the Philippines occurred in 1993 when 17 passed through. However this source "III. The transformation sub-system: cultivation to market size in fishponds on the main Philippines page, identifies 19 typhoons a year as the average. Can someone comment on which is more accurate or add some qualifiers in interpretation that can help reconcile the numbers?  Thank you. Lambanog (talk) 13:55, 5 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I will double check these figures when i get home tonight but i have seen PAGASA quoted as saying somewhere this year that the average to move into the Phillipine AOR is 20, BUT apprently only about 8 cross the phillipines a year. As for "the high for number of tropical cyclones moving through the Philippines occurred in 1993 when 17 passed through." That sounds to me like the total of systems making landfall on the phillippines as that year we went to the auxillary list of names.Jason Rees (talk) 17:08, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Double checked - PAGASA said in their post 2008 PTS report to the WMO that 8-9 affect the country each year.Jason Rees (talk) 21:30, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for the information Jason Rees! I honestly wasn't expecting an answer for such an abstruse factoid but thought I'd take a shot anyway.  I can certainly see why you've earned those barnstars!  { Lambanog (talk) 15:01, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * No worries - i guess its just a case of know where to look. :)Jason Rees (talk) 16:22, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Deaths
It looks like we have the 19th century back (the Spanish period) covered per the new reference, and the last 63 years covered, but I don't think any of us have accessed typhoon death statistics from any source from the 1899-1946 period for the Philippines. Oddly enough, this is the American period of their history, so you'd think there would be some US-related source for that information. Thegreatdr (talk) 12:09, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

There is - The AMS has a few Journals on typhoons in the Phillipines that i found by doing a general search for super typhoons.
 * http://docs.lib.noaa.gov/rescue/mwr/058/mwr-058-11-0476.pdf
 * http://docs.lib.noaa.gov/rescue/mwr/058/mwr-058-04-0173.pdf
 * http://docs.lib.noaa.gov/rescue/mwr/059/mwr-059-01-0048.pdf
 * http://docs.lib.noaa.gov/rescue/mwr/053/mwr-053-12-0549b.pdf

Typhoon belt
Is there such a thing as a generally accepted definition of typhoon belt? I'm working on the Philippines article and someone has previously written about the Philippines lying "astride a typhoon belt". Common sense tells me this is perfectly logical, but I looked up the term and didn't find as much support for it as I would have thought. While there is an article for Wikipedia for hurricane belt there isn't one for typhoon belt. Also while I see mention of typhoon belt in sources when searching on Google Scholar, I notice they are in works most often related to the Philippines and I was unable to see a specifically defined region or path that the alluded to typhoon belt travels. I have also seen an article in Popular Mechanics from 1950 that outright dismisses the concept and says there is no such thing. The closest thing to a clearly marked path of a typhoon belt I have seen and which makes me think the Popular Mechanics article is out-of-date is stuff related to the great ocean conveyor belt or thermohaline circulation. Undoubtedly related but looking at associated maps of the great ocean conveyor belt I'm not sure it shows the Philippines "astride" it, more "along" it. Also as far as I know typhoons don't seem to run into Indonesia as much as the Philippines so the path of typhoons is different enough to think of it separately. Lambanog (talk) 04:02, 24 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I think that the answer to that depends on what one chooses to define a "belt" to be. Check 0ut Typhoon tracks by the month of birthday from 1951 through 2009. at Digital Typhoon: Typhoon Images and Information. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 04:40, 24 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Lambanog - i think the term your looking for is the Typhoon Alley. which runs through Micronesia and up towards Japan.Jason Rees (talk) 04:50, 24 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Typhoon alley seems to be an even rarer term than typhoon belt going by Google hits. Also seems more popular in Guam and Japan.  Apparently there was a magazine with that name published in Japan for awhile.  The Digital Typhoon images make a pretty convincing case though that the Philippines stands in the direct path of typhoons so I'm now more comfortable leaving the description "astride the typhoon belt" in the article I'm working on.  Thanks for the responses.  Lambanog (talk) 14:07, 24 April 2010 (UTC)


 * The reality of the situation is probably best shown by the storm track map compilations such as the one to which I provided a link above. However, I see that both terms have had some prominence. Partial lists of links to google books hits with previewable content:
 * Typhoon belt:, , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , more;
 * Typhoon alley:, , , , , , , , , , , , , more. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 22:38, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Etymology
This article says that the term Bagyo pre-dates the 1911 coinage claimed in the article. This 1904 version of Charles Nigg's Tagalog-English Dictionary has the term and the author of the article says he also found the word in a reprinted edition of Francisco de San Antonio’s Vocabulario Tagalo. The current sentence is triple-sourced, but all of the sources are offline. Gobōnobō + c 18:28, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

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Should this article cover every single tropical cyclone affecting the Philippines? If so, should it be sub-divided by year, or by island group?
Should this article cover every single tropical cyclone affecting the Philippines? If so, should it be sub-divided by year, or by island group? ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 03:14, 4 January 2019 (UTC)


 * As someone who has basically spent my last six years working just on old WPAC typhoons, and I think I enjoy doing the Philippines systems I think my two cents may be worth something here. Honestly this article should basically be the Philippines equivalent of List of United States hurricanes, with this covering super typhoons or something like that only in addition to the generic naming stuff and climo stuff already covered here. IMO further divisions are best done by island group, given how Visayas and Mindanao see typhoons at a generally different frequency and intensity compared to Luzon due to latitude differences. It'd also be wise to possibly split up Luzon into years given how long that'd likely end up being though I'm not sure of a good cutoff point. 1980 seems too old while 2000 seems too new, although when I get around to doing some pre-1980 storms (which I will), I'll have a better idea. YE Pacific Hurricane 17:41, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep in mind though, the Visayas are pretty small, and storms are likely to affect both that group and Luzon (like Haiyan). Further, Mindanao doesn't get affected too often. Luzon would be split up, I agree, so why not just split up the entire Philippines typhoons? It could be similar to Florida/NC:
 * Typhoons in the Philippines (pre-1900)
 * Typhoons in the Philippines (1900-1949)
 * Typhoons in the Philippines (1950-1974)
 * Typhoons in the Philippines (1975-1999)
 * Typhoons in the Philippines (2000-present)
 * ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 18:04, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Agreed with a split up by years and would suggest 1963 be used a divider, since that is the year that PAGASA started to name systems. 2000 also works well since there was a significant change in the naming lists that year. Jason Rees (talk) 14:41, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Uniformity of kts and mph wind speed ranges in TCWS
Good day to all. I would like to point out the non-uniformity across Wikipedia articles and templates on the wind speed ranges of the Philippine TCWS, particularly the wind speeds in knots (kts) and miles per hours (mph).

I'm one of the contributors of the article on Tropical Cyclone Wind Signals. And in that article, I indicated the wind speed ranges in kilometers per hour (km/h), meters per second (m/s) and knots (kts) based on how DOST-PAGASA laid out these wind speed ranges in the March 2022 revision of the TCWS system—which, in turn, has been based on the Beaufort wind force scale, with the exception of Wind Signal #5. Since the km/h, m/s and kts wind speed ranges are based on the Beaufort scale, I thought that it would make sense if the wind speed ranges in mph would also be based on the Beaufort scale to ensure uniformity and traceability to the same basis/standard.

Nevertheless, I noticed that the wind speed ranges in kts and mph in the Wikipedia templates and other Wikipedia articles were not based on the Beaufort scale, but were derived by converting the values from km/h and rounding them to the nearest whole number. This resulted to overlapping threshold values (e.g. 48 kts and 55 mph as both upper limit of TCWS #2 and lower limit of TCWS #3) and, of course, the ranges not following the Beaufort scale like the wind speed ranges in km/h, m/s and kts (as laid out by PAGASA). So now, I'm wondering how we can reconcile all of our edits so that the information regarding the TCWS system will be the same across all concerned Wikipedia articles and templates.

Thank you very much, and have a nice day everyone! —Nairb.Idi9 (talk) 13:43, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

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