Talk:U.S. Route 1/9

Name
Wouldn't it be better to title this article U.S. Route 1-9 (with a hyphen) instead of with a slash, since that's how it's signed? What was the rationale behind choosing a slash? -- Northenglish (talk) -- 22:41, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Here's my chat on this issue with SPUI

Great idea to create an article for the U.S. Route 1/9 concurrency. Might it make more sense to name the article separating the 1 and the 9 with either a dash or an ampersand, rather than a slash? I always sound out the name of the concurrency as "1 and 9" (or more accurately "1 'n 9"), which may correspond better to the ampersand. From my informal review of signs, it seems that 1-9 appears much more often than 1&9, but I don't recall seeing 1/9 anywhere. Any thoughts???? Alansohn 21:11, 10 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I considered this when I made it (and I think I made all the redirects). Signs typically say 1-9 or 1&9 but NJDOT tends to use 1/9 on their website. --SPUI (T - C) 21:13, 10 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the explanation re state usage of 1/9. I saw that you had created redirects for just about every possible combination and permutation of US/U.S., Route/Highway and the numbers 1 and 9. You'd be hard pressed to guess a link that won't work, but the 1/9 may be the least likely to be guessed. Alansohn 21:16, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I found that discussion shortly after I posted my comment here, but didn't have time to repost.

I still think that using a dash would be better, since the signs are also posted by NJDOT (I believe), and the signs are a better indication of what the public's common usage would be, but as long as there's a redirect, the choice of punctuation doesn't matter enough to me. -- Northenglish (talk) -- 01:06, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Does Route 1&9 intersect with Route 1/9 and if so, would it be major at Route 1 & 9 and so is it applyable on the Route 1/9 info box?

24.228.70.72 19:25, 19 August 2006 (UTC)nextbarker

Get rid of that last question

Does Route 21 intersect with Route 1/9 and if it does is, is it acceptable on the Route 1/9 info box

NJ residents speak "Route one and nine", or just "1 & 9" and thus the slash is totally incorrect, even if Trenton uses the slash as in Rt 1 or Rt 9. We know Rt 1 goes from FL to Maine, but are hard pressed to know if Rt 9 diverges anywhere in NJ. 2013 & 2014 news of George Washington Bridge lane closures, a political action, cite US 1&9, and the Turnpike, even though a total list at the Bridge would include routes 1,9,4,46,80,95. 80=95 for 3 miles, and 1,9,46 overlap for 2 miles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cliffontheroad (talk • contribs) 04:14, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

U.S. Route 9 mileposts
It's come to my attention that on the Major intersections list, not one US 9 milepost is listed. Since the individual US 9 article ends its intersection list (and thus its milepost counting) at the joining with US 1 and refers readers to this article's intersection list, I propose we add in the US 9 mileposts along 1/9 on the intersection list table, perhaps using italicized brackets to differentiate US 9's mileposts from those of the dominant US 1 (I propose using brackets because italicized parentheses are already in use for listing I-95's mileposts during the approach to the George Washington Bridge). MarioLOA (talk) 22:37, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The state DOT uses US 1 mileposts as official mileposts.Mitch32(Transportation Historian) 23:14, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

I know that, but I would think that the US 9 milepost counts for the 1/9 concurrency should still be listed somewhere. When a road forms a concurrency with a dominant road, the major intersections/exit list still lists the less dominant road's mileposts (US 46, for example), and I think that the US 1/9 intersections list should do the same. Honestly, I would add them in myself if I was sure that someone else wouldn't erase them. MarioLOA (talk) 02:09, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I disagree. The article should really only have one set of mileposts. I'm not in favor of listing I-95's mileposts here either. If anything, place a note as to what US 9's milepost is at the start of the concurrency. but don't list them. If anyone wants to know what they are, they can do the arithmetic.  Imzadi  1979   →  04:06, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I like that. I'll do that. MarioLOA (talk) 18:45, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Slash vs dash revisited
I read the above discussion as to why this article's title includes the slash, but I feel that the article should be moved to the dash version for two reasons.

Firstly, because the dash is the most common version used on signs, which is the most prominent display of the concurrent road's name, website or not. The number of drivers who see the signs far out number the visitors to the website. So WP:COMMONNAME leads me to think we should use the dash.

I know that redirect take care of the issue of searches. But that doesn't cover the second reason. Per WP:SLASH and WP:DASH (from the WP:MOS), slashes are largely depreciated, while dashes (endashes specifically) have the meaning of "and" in combinations of otherwise separate things (such as the concurrency of two highways with separate sections).

So, that's my case. I know that there would be a lot of links needing to be updated, but the Wikipedia-wide policies and guidelines make me think that the current name is wrong. Thoughts? oknazevad (talk) 03:12, 23 December 2010 (UTC)


 * There's an exception to SLASH and DASH. The slash notation is the most common method for denoting road concurrencies. You'd end up forcing thousands of highway articles to switch notation to a standard that's not in commonly use in the end by that reasoning, especially when several highway abbreviation formats use a hyphen. (I-75/M-55 is the concurrency of Interstate 75 and M-55 in Central Michigan, for instance.)  Imzadi  1979   →  03:23, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I was not aware of that standard. Leave it to Jersey to do its own thing.oknazevad (talk) 14:55, 23 December 2010 (UTC)


 * U.S. Route 1-9, U.S. Route 1–9, U.S. Route 1 - 9, and U.S. Route 1 – 9 all redirect to this article. --Admrboltz (talk) 03:30, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I already noted that. But I don't think that is a convincing arguement to depart from WP:COMMONNAME.oknazevad (talk) 14:55, 23 December 2010 (UTC)


 * There's at least one other similarly named article: U.S. Route 17/92 in Florida. –  T M F 05:28, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

New Map (presumably the KML its based on too?) is wrong
The new map shows US 1/9 end at the NY state line. It actually continues a short distance into NYC, ending at the Broadway exit on I-95, where 9 follows Broadway and 1 continues with 95 into the Bronx. Famartin (talk) 16:57, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
 * You would be correct. If the KML was wrong, that means the converted JSON would be wrong as well. –Fredddie™ 00:35, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Hatnote Error
Why does everyone think that US 1/9 is related to US 119? This should be avoided. CamdenFreeway295 (talk) 14:25, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
 * that’s not what that tag is forFamartin (talk) 15:36, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Signage
Forgive my use of this venue for questions. I'm intrigued by the "1-9" and "1&9" signage / naming convention and feel that it is unique to this roadway. I'm looking for references / citations on the approval of such signage / naming. Would this be an AASHTO issue? FHWA? Or is it not controlled and NJDOT is free to sign at will? Is there a precedent? If anyone who is more of a hobbyist than I could lend a hand, reference, or nudge in the right direction, I'd be obliged. Thanks. --Gapmtn1 (talk) 16:44, 19 February 2022 (UTC)