Talk:UCLA School of Law/Archive 1

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founded by king kong in 1403 he was the led\er of the institution, I couldn't help but admit that this piece looked more like a recruiting brochure or alumni puff piece than an objective factual article, and was full of opinion. I mean, come on - statements like, among others, the school is in an "aging (but still beautiful)" building, that faculty are "well known" for publication (what law school professors aren't), that it is among the "most prestigious" law schools (so which top 25 ranking are we using) and that its the best law school in the So. Cal. area (fight a USC grad on that one) cannot credibly be claimed to be objective. I was not inclined to address the admittance rate issue, but even that is somewhat misleading.


 * Most of what you point it would be NPOV and inappropriate. However, each year UCLA is generally ranked around 14th-16th by US News & World Reports, and is usually a couple of places above USC.  So "top-ranked" law school in LA or Southern California would be appropriate.  Certainly one could make a strong case for USC in other areas, but UCLA is higher "ranked".  It's probably a matter of interpretation whether this also translates as a "among the most prestigious" compared to other law schools. Lucky Adrastus 23:54, 15 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Plus UCLA definitely has the best building. USC is housed in a disorganized Brutalist pigpen of a building whose library is so cramped that the librarians encourage the students to study in the main undergraduate library instead. --Coolcaesar 06:53, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

I tried to edit this the main article but my change disappeared. UCLA is ranked 15th, not 16th by USNWR. And no, I don't go there (but am applying to do so). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.173.111.45 (talk) 00:19, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Just countermanded improper move by UC Bill
The correct name is UCLA School of Law as it's the most common name for the school. See WP:NAME. No one calls it University of California, Los Angeles School of Law!

The only places where the full name is ever used are on the transcript and the diploma. The school's Web site as well as all internal literature, forms, pamphlets, and the application form all refer to it as UCLA School of Law. --Coolcaesar (talk) 07:13, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

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As a graduate of UCLA Law School and, in fact, fa —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.103.183.230 (talk) 23:08, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

New sentence in lead
A newly registered user (Post2013), who has made edits only to this article, inserted the following sentence in the lead: "In addition to being the top-ranked law school in Southern California, the school is considered one of the most prestigious law schools in the country." I've reverted twice. In my first reversion, my edit summary said: "removed newly added sentence as puffery, it's partly supported (but only using US News as the sole measure) but it's still over the top". Post2013 reverted my reversion without explanation. I reverted again, this time saying, "don't revert w/o explanation - take to Talk page if you want to justify inclusion of this material in the lead". Post reverted again without explanation.

The source for the sentence is US News and World Report. Putting aside that the link doesn't point to the right location within the USN website, I'm assuming that Post2013's reasoning is that of the So. Calif. law schools ranked by USN, UCLA is highest ranked, with USC coming in just a couple of notches below it. There is, of course, no support for the hyperbolic phrase "considered one of the most prestigious law schools in the country." My views are (1) there's no support for UCLA being the "top-ranked law school" except based on USN, and that's not what the assertion says; (2) even assuming we altered the wording to say something about being based on USN, UCLA only does a little better than USC, and these rankings change each year - are we going to have to go back in and fix this each time? do we have to qualify it based on this year?; (3) even assuming we could come to some consensus about what's appropriate to say, does any of this belong in the lead? - we already have facts about UCLA in the body - why can't we stick with those without this kind of promotional characterization?

I'm going to revert one more time and ask Post2013 (probably a UCLA law school student who is graduating in 2013) to discuss these issues, but I don't know if I'll have any success with that.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:40, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Listing as College/University in Los Angeles
This shows up as a separate college/university in the category "Universities and colleges in Los Angeles". I am thinking about deleting this since it is part of UCLA and is not a separate entity. This is the only entry in that page that seems to be different, being a department within a university being listed separately. What do others think? I'll wait a few days to see if there are any comments before changing. Skumarla (talk) 00:01, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Fall 2018 edits by User:Bkisliuk
Unfortunately, the majority of those edits do not conform to the Manual of Style or to Wikipedia core policies, especially No original research and Neutral point of view. The current article reads way too much like an advertisement, in violation of everything I just cited. Also, under Wikipedia style, we generally avoid direct links to outside sites from body text as it looks unprofessional (and it violates the part of What Wikipedia is not about WP not being a directory). We link to sources in the footnotes.

Several edits introduced statements that are obviously wrong to most college graduates, like asserting that the U.S. News and World Report rankings began in 2009. They were around at least a decade or two before that. Any objections before I revert this back to the last good version? --Coolcaesar (talk) 05:29, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

February 2020 edits by User:Bkisliuk
I am reverting those immediately as violating Wikipedia core policies. A lot of the new text was not supported by any citations. Also, User:Bkisliuk improperly deleted numerous sentences that were amply supported by the sources cited. The overall import of User:Bkisliuk's edits was to attempt to remove a lot of negative information about the law school from the article, including its history of severe overcrowding. Please review WP:NOT, WP:V, and especially, WP:NPOV. --Coolcaesar (talk) 05:43, 9 March 2020 (UTC)