Talk:UFC 1

Gracie Bias
Isn't it kind of odd how biased this tournament was in favor of Royce Gracie? Apart from Rorion Gracie being the co-creator and Helio Gracie receiving an award other there were other biases that took place. Royce Gracie fought a boxer in the first round, presumably the easiest opponent in the entire tournament. Ken Shamrock had a tougher opponent in the first round, perhaps the second or third best in the tournament. To make matters worse, Kens opponent was from Denver, where the event took place. Not only did he have home town advantage, but he also didn't have to travel and was already accustomed to the lack of oxygen of Denver. Ken Shamrocks match took place later giving him less time to recouporate and train for his next match against Royce. Kens time was cut even shorter as they interviewed him after his first win. --2605:A000:1E02:C05D:FC3B:E648:2A5B:751F (talk) 04:15, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

found this after posting, https://mmajunkie.com/2016/02/bellator-149s-ken-shamrock-on-getting-screwed-in-ufc-1-bout-against-royce-gracie

another note on the bias
The premise of UFC originally was to discover which martial arts was superior. But it seems as if they already knew Brazilian Jujitsu was superior. Examples, the commentators said the boxer was used to too many rules and wouldn't do well. Also he couldn't grab due to wearing a glove. They kept talking about being on the ground was the best position, which is common in BJJ. They mentioned how wearing gi is beneficial. Royce is the only person that wore one. The Gracies are the best BJJ practitioners in the world, the other athletes weren't the top of their disciplines. Seeing that the Gracies were co-creators makes it feel like they weren't really trying to determine which was the best but to tell everyone that BJJ is the best. It's misleading if you don't know they were co-creators or they are the top of their league. It's like they're honestly questioning which is the best then really just laughing at them when they fail and acting as if their idiots for not realizing BJJ is the best. Obviously the format benefits BJJ, they knew that coming in. How many people in the US were familiar with BJJ prior to UFC? --2605:A000:1E02:C05D:FC3B:E648:2A5B:751F (talk) 04:30, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Another bias, In the beginning they showed how the mat was soft and had some give to it. I'd imagine this would make it a lot harder to fight standing up, and easier to fall due to the mat being unbalanced. --2605:A000:1E02:C05D:1D2F:1449:FBA5:A29D (talk) 03:59, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

New video on bias
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_tMkWoUN18 2605:A000:1E02:C05D:8863:2734:4507:9172 (talk) 04:24, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

The first UFC DID have time limits
The first UFC did indeed have time limits, limited to 5 minutes with unlimited rounds. This is EVEN MENTIONED IN UFC 3, where you hear commentator Brian Kilmeade ask/state to Jim Brown, "Why no time limits, Jim Brown? There were in UFC 1?" in which Brown replies, "In real fights you do not have time limits."

Lack of References + Too Opinionated
I added a lack of references tag and a neutral point of view dispute tag. One reference isn't going to cut it, nor are statements such as this:

The 6'2" Samoan sumo wrestler weighted in at over 400 lbs, and his speed was limited due to this size.

Due to Shamrock's knowledge of ground fighting, and Smith's only training being in Tae Kwon Do and Muay Thai, Shamrock quickly took Smith to the ground, and secured the heel hook. Smith, although appearing to be hurt by the submission, was not quick to accept defeat and continued to berate Shamrock.

Shamrock initially gained a dominant position but was overcome by Gracie's skill.

MastaFighta 20:21, 22 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree about some of the language, but most facts can be referenced back to the event itself can they not? Canadian Ninja 21:27, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

That is true, however events can be interpreted in many different ways (as this article clearly shows). While it was stated that Teila Tuli speed was limited due to his size, there was nothing to really indicate in his match that he was slow. Just because he's over 400 lbs. doesn't mean he's slow, it just means he's over 400 lbs. References will help keep the point of view neutral, instead of merely going by what one interpreted in this match. I hope that makes sense. MastaFighta 18:33, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

How about now?
i've gone through and tried to clean up everything that came off as POV or as original research. let me know what you think. Betterlucknexttime 20:54, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Not sure of some of the stuff you pulled, the early UFC's where billed as style vs style rather then fighters. Probably largely a result of Rorion Gracie being the one putting it together and the Gracie family's wanting to use it as a platform to grow Gracie JJ.  The language might be a little off.  "being about style vs style"  vs "being promoted as style vs style" but I think it's origins as a method of putting style against style are definately relevant to the article. Canadian Ninja 21:03, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Red Links
I took out the redlinks for the fighters that have not fought since 2000, I may make a page for Zane as he is still active. David.snipes (talk) 22:41, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Gloves
If you watch the fight, Art Jimmerson is clearly wearing a glove. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.25.186.201 (talk) 13:59, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

In The First UFC All Of Royce Gracie's Fights Were Worked Fights
Royce Gracie told me personally that all of his fights in UFC 1 were "worked fights" in 1994. All the other people who were involved with the first UFC may know about it, Kathy Long who worked on the first UFC knows about it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.80.209.164 (talk) 03:42, 4 February 2012 (UTC)