Talk:UPL Co., Ltd

Lowercase "U" in article title
I tried to name the article "UPL", but it became "uPL". Would someone fix this? Parrothead1983 (talk) 04:18, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Never mind. Nidorino removed the lowercase template. Parrothead1983 (talk) 05:41, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

The year UPL was founded
According to the front page of this website created by former UPL employees, they don't know when exactly it was founded in the 1980s. But some Wikipedians believe in what KLOV said. The 1975 arcade game Video Action was created by UPL, which Wikipedians assume it was founded sometime in the 1970s; however, according to the Pong page at arcade-history, there is a company that developed Video Action 3 and Video Action 4 known as "Universal Research", but it didn't mention simply "Video Action" nor "UPL". The Japanese Wikipedia article of UPL reads that it was founded as "Universal Play Land" sometime in 1984, but no citation was attached. Parrothead1983 (talk) 08:06, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I noticed that this KLOV webpage was added to the article, but just because the first game's release year is in 1975, doesn't always mean it's that year the company was founded. The KLOV webpage is actually saying it first started releasing arcade games in 1975, but it is unknown whether it was founded the same year or not. Parrothead1983 (talk) 02:25, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Note that KLOV has incorrectly credited UPL with the creation of some games from Universal Research Laboratories (URL), which is an American company founded in the 1970s by former Seeburg employees and later purchased by Stern Electronics. This is clear by examining the flyer for the game Video Action at http://flyers.arcade-museum.com/?page=flyer&db=videodb&id=2635&image=1.  All of the 1970s citations to UPL are almost certainly in error. Indrian (talk) 03:28, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
 * You should keep in mind that UPL's parent company Universal was founded in 1969 (and is also listed at KLOV). Since UPL's founding in the 1980s is itself highly uncertain, there isn't any certainty over whether the UPL entries on KLOV are referring to UPL (Universal Play Land) itself, its parent company Universal, or the similarly named URL (Universal Research Laboratory). Jagged 85 (talk) 01:19, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * First of all, KLOV lists Universal's videogames under the Universal name not UPL, so your leap of logic there makes no sense. In fact not only does it not make sense, but it is an unproven hypothesis and not provable fact like the Video Action example above.  Second of all, no source shows Universal creating a single video game before 1977.  Third of all, it has already been demonstrated that KLOV messed up in assigning games to UPL.  Fourth of all, none of the other plentiful sources that cover arcade games has ever linked UPL to any games by Gremlin.  Fifth of all, no other sources exist to indicate that UPL existed before the 1980s.  And finally, since KLOV has been discredited as a source of information on UPL games, it is up to you to find corroborating evidence that UPL had anything to do with these games, which I guarantee you will be unable to find.  It was an honest and forgivable mistake to take KLOV on its face about this, but now that the error has been pointed out there is no need to compound it by turning logic on its head and ignoring all other evidence just because you are so fond of KLOV.  If the most well respected and most accurate World War II book ever written contained a typo stating that Pearl Harbor was bombed on December 7, 1942, Wikipedia would not present that information.  Likewise, when KLOV makes a goof, we do not include that goof on wikipedia just because the site is often correct. Indrian (talk) 03:08, 29 September 2011 (UTC)


 * In response, I'll just copy-and-paste what I wrote over at Talk:Blockade (arcade game):


 * "I think you are taking this a bit too seriously. I wasn't trying to prove anything here, but was simply asking for more evidence. If you are suggesting that the source I was using is unreliable on a certain matter, then I'd like to see some more information on why that is. Your explanation sounds somewhat reasonable in this case, so I'll leave it at that for now. Regarding arcade-history, I often browse that site myself, but usually never reference it because it is not listed at WP:VG/RS. If you do believe it is just as reliable as KLOV, then why not try getting it included over at WP:VG/RS?"


 * Regards, Jagged 85 (talk) 06:13, 7 October 2011 (UTC)