Talk:URJ Camp Coleman

The original Camp Coleman article was very short and undetailed and was merged into an article containing very little information on each URJ Camp. This article is very involved and specific and gives great detail about the camp's location, history, and lifestyle, all of which were barely touched upon in the original article from June 2006. Bdmazur 07:32, 29 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Nothing in the current page asserts notability of the camp, which was one of the major concerns in the AfD. DMacks 07:50, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

According to Wikipedia rules: "The (possibly vague) concept of "notability" is not needed as long as the verifiability rules are strictly applied." Almost all of the information presented can be verified through the links presented at the end of the article. Also, with the rules of notability, URJ Camp Coleman has in fact been mentioned in multiple published works, including the Atlanta Jewish Times, and Reform Judaism Magazine.

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I've restored the redirect for the time being. This certainly is not a speedy delete instance because there was no consensus to deleted in the original AfD. the problem with the contention above about verifiability is that this article I replaced does not pass the qualifier "...as long as the verifiability rules are strictly applied." Please see WP:V. There are no "reliable, third-party published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy" that source this article and beyond that I do not see this meeting the Notability and Places of local interest guidelines. Right now a redirect is the best option, thus I've restored it.--Isotope23 18:57, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

This should be considered a place of interest since it is one of the oldest Jewish camps in the country (Verifiable by the URJ), and at one point in time served as the national center for leadership training for Reform Jewish high schoolers, and should be placed as part of WikiProject Judaism. If individual churches and synogogues can have their own pages, then camps should as well.
 * There are still no verifiable, independant 3rd party sources for this. Nothing has changed to better establish WP:V since the AfD consensus to redirect this so I think restoring this to a standalone article is premature at this point.--Isotope23 01:51, 30 January 2007 (UTC)