Talk:USA Climbing

SafeSport
An editor has repeatedly deleted mention of a former team member and then-current coach in USA Climbing gyms being suspended by SafeSport. That is highly notable.

(redacted) of Seattle, a former member of the USA Climbing Team and a climbing coach, was suspended by the United States Center for SafeSport, and his access to the USA Climbing Team and SafeSport-certified gyms was suspended. --2603:7000:2143:8500:4889:B01B:213F:D5AA (talk) 17:03, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

This is not notable. It is also not the first time a climbing coach has been suspended/banned by USAC and/or Safesport for similar allegations. This is not a repository database for Safesport or USAC suspensions. Safesport maintains its own database for suspended/banned coaches. Zerosumnet (talk) 07:40, 21 February 2022 (UTC)


 * That's not the standard for inclusion. It need not be "the first time." It has to be covered by RSs. Which it is. You are of course free to then add other such RS-covered instances. There is not deadline, as the WP essay says. OTHERSTUFFDOESNTEXIST is another relevant WP essay. Furthermore, the fact that SS maintains its own database is not relevant. People who are arrested for multiple counts of child rape are also on public databases of incarceration if incarcerated - that is not reason to delete reference here. Athletes have all sorts of records that are on other databases, but that does not lead us to delete that information at the project. That's simply not a relevant argument. 2603:7000:2143:8500:51D3:193:A60A:3CBB (talk) 23:53, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Once again this is not notable. And you are correct, not being the first time it has alleged to have occurred is of course not a standard for inclusion. Zerosumnet (talk) 01:15, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
 * It's covered by multiple RSs. That is why it is notable. Please support your view that it is not notable - you've given no wp-based support. IDONTTHINKITSNOTABLE isn't a valid reason. Any more than ILIKECLIMBING. 2603:7000:2143:8500:51D3:193:A60A:3CBB (talk) 06:11, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Notable events usually receive coverage beyond a relatively short news cycle. There is a tendency for new and current matters to seem more important than they might seem in a few years time. Many events receive coverage in the news and yet are not of historic or lasting importance. News organizations have criteria for content, i.e. news values, that differ from the criteria used by Wikipedia and encyclopedias. A violent crime, accidental death, or other media events may be interesting enough to reporters and news editors to justify coverage, but this will not always translate into sufficient notability.

No subject is automatically or inherently notable merely because it exists: the evidence must show the topic has gained significant independent coverage or recognition, and that this was not a mere short-term interest. Routine kinds of news events (including most crimes, accidents, deaths, celebrity or political news, "shock" news, stories lacking lasting value such as "water cooler stories," and viral phenomena) – whether or not tragic or widely reported at the time – are usually not notable unless something further gives them additional enduring significance.

An event that is a precedent or catalyst for something else of lasting significance is likely to be notable. Events are often considered to be notable if they act as a precedent or catalyst for something else. This may include effects on the views and behaviors of society and legislation. For example, the murder of Adam Walsh ultimately led to the Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act, among other notable subjects. Significant national or international coverage is usually expected for an event to be notable. Wide-ranging reporting tends to show significance, but sources that simply mirror or tend to follow other sources, or are under common control with other sources, are usually discounted. Events that are only covered in sources published during or immediately after an event, without further analysis or discussion, are likely not suitable.

Media channels under common control or influence are usually counted as one local or national outlet and a single instance of coverage when they report a matter, even if they have several regional or national outlets. Similarly, where a single story or press release is simply re-reported (often word-for-word) by news publications, or when reporters base their information on repeating news coverage from elsewhere (for example, "AP reported that ..."), this should only be counted as a single source for the purpose of determining notability. The policy on sourcing is Wikipedia:Verifiability, which requires inline citations for any material challenged or likely to be challenged, and for all quotations. The verifiability policy is strictly applied to all material in the mainspace—articles, lists, and sections of articles—without exception, and in particular to biographies of living persons, which states: Contentious material about living persons (or, in some cases, recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion. Zerosumnet (talk) 15:33, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

With that being said, since you are passionate about this news article being included in wikipedia you could submit "An Article for Creation (AfC)" similar to the article named "USA Gymnastics sex abuse scandal". If your article includes this event combined with the events of the past and any other relevant information discovered in your research it might be sufficient to get approved for the mainspace. The Article if approved for the mainspace could then be linked to/from this page. Zerosumnet (talk) 15:58, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

RS refs
Much of the text of this article is uncited, and needs RS refs, or is subject to deletion. --2603:7000:2143:8500:51D3:193:A60A:3CBB (talk) 23:57, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

It should be noted that this IP user 2603:7000:2143:8500 is possibly a sock for IP blocked user 2600:1017:b823:59db and IP user 2603:8000:B03:D526 along with banned user Ninenine99 (who was given a long term ban for alleged current ongoing disruption) as noted in https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrator_intervention_against_vandalism&diff=prev&oldid=1073341968 Zerosumnet (talk) 09:17, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Tidying up this article
This is an important article for US competition climbing but it is very large and unwieldly. It should follow the structure of the International Federation of Sport Climbing articles, E.g.: I think such a structure would be easier to navigate and maintain. Currently, it is just too long. 78.18.228.191 (talk) 12:14, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Main "head article" called USA Climbing, about the organisation, history, structure (and detail on individual competitions) etc.
 * USA Climbing Elite National Championships, which would be like IFSC Climbing World Championships for the main men's and women's competition results
 * USA Climbing Youth National Championships, which would be like IFSC Climbing World Youth Championships for youth competitions.
 * USA Climbing Collegiate National Championships, for college competitions.

Moving Collegiate to the Talk Page
I have moved the Collegiate section to the Talk Page. It is really too much information in this already huge article. It could be a seperate article (per above), but many of these names are non-notable and the refs poor, so may not be justified. However for WP:PRESERVE, I am listing it here for disucssion. 78.18.228.191 (talk) 12:23, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

Collegiate National Championships
Results information for many of the years is sparse. Prior to 2013 the CCS National Championships had a combined sport climbing and bouldering competition. From 2013 onward there is a separate sport climbing and bouldering competition. The speed climbing is not held on the standard speed course and therefore official times are not kept. So far the major qualifications for competing in the collegiate nationals are: you must be a student at a 4-year university, you must compete in one local competition, and you must compete in one regional competition.

Logo requested
I have also requested a logo be sought for USA Climbing. 78.18.228.191 (talk) 12:58, 7 January 2023 (UTC)