Talk:USCGC Southwind

Wikified
This page is in the process of being Wikified to match the layout of the Nimitz-class aircraft carrier articles. I am also adding official US Navy and US Coast Guard information. Thanks for your patience while I add this content, and if you have any comments or suggestion please leave them here! Maxarre 18:53, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Rammstein Rosenrot.jpg
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 * Removed image that offended the overly agressive and sensitive BetacommandBot. Also took the liberty of shrinking the size of BCB's text above because it took up WAY too much space. For a bot it sure does like to hear itself talk!--Maxarre 01:28, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

1970/1971
I added the Murmansk/boilerplate passage, but another source would be great to confirm this story. -- Theoprakt (talk) 01:36, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank you User:Wwoods
Many thanks for your help here Mr Wwoods. You did in a minute what would have taken me hours. I am new at this. I have taken many cues from your editing as well. Best Wishes, T J Lynn Jr.Tjlynnjr (talk) 19:06, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Soviet Merchant Navy ensign or Soviet Navy ensign ?
Historical narrative, which is not an edit by me; states Southwind was in Soviet merchant marine service. I added Soviet (naval) ensign. User:Wwoods pointed this out. Must research, will contact some Russian shipmates for info.Tjlynnjr (talk) 23:50, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry for this delayed follow-up. I have talked to some Russian friends who said they were sure the Soviet Navy had command of Soviet Merchant Marine Ministry during WW2. They could not comment on which ensign was worn by Soviet merchant vessels.
 * Here is a reference which seems to jive with the story. GlobalSecurity.org Military- Soviet Merchant Marine http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/morflot-sov.htm Compare the image of Soviet ensign there with this image from Wiki Commons, below right. If further info comes to me I will post it here. Всегда готов Tjlynnjr (talk) 22:13, 29 May 2014 (UTC) .Naval Ensign of the Soviet Union 1935.svg

copy Construction from Northwind
Copied from article Northwind, which has source: http://www.uscg.mil/history/webcutters/Northwind1945.pdf. Similar article about Southwind at: http://www.uscg.mil/history/webcutters/Southwind1944.asp. Second paragraph source: http://www.uscg.mil/history/webcutters/Icebreakers.asphttp://www.uscg.mil/history/webcutters/Icebreakers.asp, also a USCG site. Laid down, launch and commission info from: http://www.southwind280.com/history.html. U.S. Warships of World War II by Paul H. Silverstone published by Doubleday and Company in 1965(?) pg 378 sources dimensions, armament, launch, and postwar names and operators, pg 377 has a picture of Southwind.Sammy D III (talk) 00:15, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
 * There is a USN site similar to the USCG of this ship under the name Atka at:http://www.history.navy.mil/danfs/a13/atka.htm.Sammy D III (talk) 00:27, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Rosenrot
Should it be mentioned that it is pictured on the cover of Rosenrot by Rammstein? // Liftarn (talk)
 * I think there once was a reference of Rosenrot, which included image(s). As I recall there was some problem with the image(s) and some Bigman rubbished image(s). Also I believe, the Rosenrot part got out of hand somehow (dominated the article ?). Perhaps you can check on this by going through the history, providing it is still there. I would think a mention would be in order, avoiding whatever it was that happened previously.Tjlynnjr (talk) 16:42, 14 May 2014 (UTC).
 * Seems to be like this is the definition of trivia, which has no place in articles these days. If someone can provide a citation which discusses this usage of the ship's image, it would make a much stronger case for its inclusion. — Huntster (t @ c) 03:06, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Since it's the main claim to fame it should be there, but finding sources saying so may be difficult. // Liftarn (talk)
 * Main claim to fame? I think that's secondary to the simple fact that this was an icebreaker that served with the U.S. Coast Guard, U.S. Navy, and the Russian navy. Or, that it visited the Soviet Union during the Cold War to pick up an artefact from the space race. Appearing on an album cover is fairly minor, even in our media-obsessed age. — Huntster (t @ c) 10:38, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
 * There is no way this Rosenrot Scheißdreck oder Skit is SOUTHWINDs "main claim to fame". There are still many SOUTHWIND shipmates around who would surely agree with me. In fact, I am going to ask those I know and I wager they will be insulted; I am, and I never sailed in SOUTHWIND. I retract my previous liberal statement regarding the inclusion of this subject in the article and now concur with User:Huntster. Finding references to support the retention or the inclusion of this information is not only difficult, but, impossible. Furthermore, I now propose the immediate deletion of this trivial and outrageous rubbish as it is not in keeping with the traditions of the United States naval service. What say Huntster ? NORTHWIND sends Semper Paratus Tjlynnjr (talk) 12:30, 28 May 2014 (UTC).
 * I've removed the text from the article due to lack of sources lending notability. It's simple trivia at this point. I'll paste the text below on the off-chance that a source does turn up.
 * "A picture of USS Atka was used as the front cover art for Rammstein's album Rosenrot, and the Japanese version of their album Reise, Reise."
 * Semper Vigilans — Huntster (t @ c) 12:47, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

26 October 2014
At 02:58, 26 October 2014 an External link was added. At 03:12 26 October 2014, 14 minutes later, it was reverted with “(Rv; page doesn't actually have any useful blueprints of the vessel.)”

Is “any useful blueprints” with no discussion pure POV?

Is a clear side view drawing of a ship “useful”?

Is it wise to revert a new link when 2 of 4 existing links are dead?

I thought the drawing gave a perspective of the ship. I did not use Burton Island or Westwind on their articles.

The site name implies the drawing is a blueprint. Should the caption be changed to "USCGC Southwind drawing at The-Blueprints.com"? Is that an important point?

With a free registration any image on this site can be downloaded in a larger size. This site has many other naval images that readers might be interesting.

Whatever, just sayin’ Sammy D III (talk) 14:44, 26 October 2014 (UTC)