Talk:USD Castellanzese

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Limelightangel (talk) 20:25, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Liuc11Chiara
 * Rednax11
 * Liuc11Anders
 * LIUC11Nicolai
 * Liuc11nicole
 * Luic1clement

Note to review editors regarding resubmission
The page has now been resubmitted with the addition of secondary sources. Liuc11Anders (talk) 10:40, 27 December 2023 (UTC)


 * The reference regarding the sponsors section has been added.Liuc11nicole (talk) 14:18, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

Note to review editors
The images used on this page has been added to the following category on Wikimedia Commons: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Permission_pending_as_of_10_December_2023

While the images are still pending permission the page will be submitted for review. Be more than welcome to provide any information that can help improve this if needed. Liuc11Anders (talk) 17:26, 15 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Image permissions have been granted and files have been uploaded and are awaiting permission at VRTS:

Limelightangel (talk) 15:32, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft%3AUSD_Castellanzese#/medi/File:Alfredo_Bovet_in_1932.png
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft%3AUSD_Castellanzese#/media/File:The_1938_team_of_%22USD_Castellanzese%22.png
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft%3AUSD_Castellanzese#/media/File:Stadium_tribune_of_Stadio_Comunale_Giovanni_Provasi.jpg
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft%3AUSD_Castellanzese#/media/File:Neroverde_Initiative,_USD_Castellanzese.jpg
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft%3AUSD_Castellanzese#/media/File:The_Mascot_%22Becky%22.png

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Limelightangel (talk) 20:30, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * 2 of the sections headers are put together, and the header is changed to useful sources. LIUC11Nicolai (talk) 14:36, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Fixed LIUC11Nicolai (talk) 15:18, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Merge together info from "Colors" and "Colors and badge", also "Anthem" with "Anthem and mascot", what is the best solution? --Rednax11 (talk) 13:41, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Intro
For help adding the pronunciation of the football clubs name --> IPA, in the intro. Rednax11 (talk) 16:35, 15 November 2023 (UTC).

In an official document from the football club it says the full name of the football club is "Unione Sportiva Dilettantistica Castellanzese 1921 Associazione Sportiva Dilettantistica". --Rednax11 (talk) 00:44, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Useful Sources
This is their official web page where they have a lot of info. Might be a good source. This is the link https://www.castellanzese.com/organigramma/ Liuc11Anders (talk) 17:07, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

For results and transfers, som useful sources are: https://www.flashscore.dk/hold/castellanzese/p2vpBK0t/ or https://www.tuttocampo.it/Italia/SerieD/GironeB/Squadra/Castellanzese1921/930022/Scheda LIUC11Nicolai (talk) 15:030, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Infobox
For the infobox, there is the need to add the logo image. It could be also interesting adding the uniform photos (home colours, away colors). Like this one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_Milan Liuc11nicole (talk) 17:37, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Help with Infoboxes on football clubs
1. There is help on football Club pages as part of Wikipedia Football Clubs Project: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Football/Clubs/Templates, including a page to help on Italian clubs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Football/Clubs/Templates/Italy

2. For the infobox: https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Template:Infobox_fo... This has predefined fields and Parameters, including club name; year the club was founded; The commonly-used name of the club; ground — with examples.

3. Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Templates https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Templates For most major clubs and national teams, there are navboxes for the current squad that can be inserted at the foot of a player's biography, including ‎Squad lists. Limelightangel (talk) 15:16, 16 November 2023 (UTC)


 * infobox
 * Thanks, I saw the different templates. I used the one from AC Milan, an Italian football team. there is the need to add the logo, the images and the informations. Liuc11nicole (talk) 17:14, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

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Relevance & Style
The following paragraph is irrelevant to the topic: "Castellanza is a town located in the province of Varese and bordering Busto Arsizio and Legnano (MI). During this period it faced constraints on the development of both cultural and sports activities, as well as leisure pursuits. Nevertheless, despite these limitations, passionate and volunteer citizens are making immense efforts to initiate local endeavors. Currently, fundraising is challenging as the disappearance of large companies, has resulted in the absence of patrons who traditionally financed various activities. It belongs on the page on Castellanza and does not directly relate to USD Castellanzese. It also contains inappropriate style e.g. 'neverthless', incorrect tense, subjectivity ('passionate', 'immense').  It also has no references for any of the content. Limelightangel (talk) 09:42, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Fundamental issues with content & style
The following paragraph has: ''During those years, the USD Castellanzese included sections dedicated to cycling (the predominant activity due to the founders' boundless passion for the sport), with some presence in athletics, soccer, a motorcycle club, (which had 248 members in 1950), and finally, table tennis. It is essential to mention the names of those who were the founders of this club: the fisrt person is Giuseppe Scandrolio, the founder father, who was supported by key collaborators such as Ercole Airoldi, Alfredo Gamassi, Umberto Baita, and Pierino Albini.'' See: Manual_of_Style Limelightangel (talk) 09:57, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * no references
 * 2 incorrect links out ('fewer than 6000 inhabitants'; 'USD Castellanzese')
 * subjectivity ('boundless passion')
 * inappropriate style ('and finally';'it is essential to mention)
 * chronlogically incorrect content for a section on '1921' ('during these years'; 'in 1950')
 * the heading is incorrect. It is a sub-section in History, not a new section

Maybe collect the sentences under one topic, and put into one paragraph rather than having three sentences on each row? Rednax11 (talk) 01:30, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Linking
See: Manual_of_Style/Linking
 * Understand what 'overlinking' is e.g. link out to Italy.
 * 2 incorrect links out ('fewer than 6000 inhabitants'; 'USD Castellanzese')

Structure
Limelightangel (talk) 15:22, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * '1921' should be a subsection in History, not a new section heading.
 * some of the 1921 content is not specically about '1921'

useful link
https://www.castellanzese.com/wp-content/uploads/STATUTO-CASTELLANZESE-201502.pdf Liuc11Chiara (talk) 15:02, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

stadiums link
https://www.castellanzese.com/le-strutture/ Liuc11Chiara (talk) 15:19, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Translation issues
The section: "history" contains too much directly translation and does not add up for corrensponding rules of wikipedia, therefor it needs to be rephrased Liuc11Anders (talk) 13:23, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Supporters
When the pictures are avaliable add an image of the supports logo LIUC11Nicolai (talk) 16:07, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Youth Sector
The youth sector was accidently cut off but it will be fixed later. Please do not do anything to it Liuc11Anders (talk) 11:08, 29 November 2023 (UTC)


 * It has now been solved Liuc11Anders (talk) 18:00, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Infobox Kit
Useful links to create the pattern of the football kit:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Football_kit/pattern_list#Stripes

https://neroverdestore.castellanzese.com/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Football_kit ~ Liuc11nicole (talk) 15:59, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Review 4/12/23

 * missing InfoBox

Infobox was added by User:Luic1clement Rednax11 (talk) 14:19, 5 December 2023 (UTC) Is has been sorted by combining the whole period from 1970-present instead Fixed Fixed
 * lack of acceptable images e.g. stadium, players, match programs, historical newspaper exhibits; mascot; logo; etc.
 * there is an over-reliance on a single source for the entire history section (ref. 2)
 * the History has good historical information but there is only 1 sentence for the period 2001 - Present
 * incorrect links out to Venice football club; CONI; FIGC
 * incorrect link out to Italian page on Castegnate
 * *the link out is wrong, the town name is 'Castegnate', not 'Castegnato'. The link out possible is the italian wikipedia page of Castegnate. Liuc11nicole (talk) 16:56, 7 December 2023 (UTC)


 * History structure: start with founders and est. of the sports club; put info. on other sports together, not in 2 places; the subheading for 1920s better as 1920 -1930: US Castellanese Sporting Club, or similar;
 * tense: 'are'

''Changed tense in text. Rednax11 (talk) 14:18, 5 December 2023 (UTC)''
 * 'grammar:' were in very familiar to the'; 'devided'; 'Which is'; 'youtube'; 'italian'; etc.

"were in very familiar" has been changed
 * all the others have been fixed Liuc11nicole (talk) 17:06, 7 December 2023 (UTC)


 * style: 'glorious'; 'in particular'; 'despite' (twice); 'however'; 'notably'; 'their 100th'; 'thereby'; 'even to the point of'; 'but'; 'Today'; 'The last field on which'; 'on the other hand'; 'all intents and purposes';
 * Style fixed Liuc11nicole (talk) 18:09, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

''Removed duplicate links. Rednax11 (talk) 15:49, 4 December 2023 (UTC)''
 * duplicate links out e.g. to Bovet (three times); Castellanza;
 * clarity: 'one national march'; 'a lack of goodwill'; 'to this date' (twice); 'during that period'; 'the war'; 'are not documented'; 'in the subsequent years';
 * fixed clarity Liuc11nicole (talk) 11:29, 9 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Union Sportiva Castellanzese is mentioned in the 1970s but has no earlier introduction, English translation or foundation date; its relationship to the USD Castellanza is unclear.

Modification of paragraph "1920 to 1930" to introduce the Union Sportiva Castellanzese. Luic1clement (talk) 17:02, 4 December 2023 (UTC)


 * 'the black-green president'

Modification "Black-green president" into "the USD Castellanzese president". Luic1clement (talk) 17:02, 4 December 2023 (UTC)


 * several Italian pharses need correct translation and format/punctuation for the English translation e.g. 'Neroverde'; 'Sogno Neroverde'

Added translation to "Sogno neroverde" Rednax11 (talk) 14:17, 5 December 2023 (UTC)


 * And the "Nero Verde" is also dealt with now Liuc11Anders (talk) 14:27, 5 December 2023 (UTC)


 * multiple incorrect website links out in sponsors table

Link improvement. Luic1clement (talk) 17:02, 4 December 2023 (UTC)


 * 'Sponsors table' or 'Sponsors Table?; 'First team squad' or 'First Team Squad'?

Review of grammar errors done. Luic1clement (talk) 16:31, 4 December 2023 (UTC)


 * check the conventions on when to use and not use bold text
 * inconsistencies in Youth Sector table related to 'White' and 'white'
 * inconsistencies in use of upper and lower case in table headers, text and section headings e.g. 'Nero Verde young'

Review of grammar errors done. Luic1clement (talk) 16:31, 4 December 2023 (UTC)


 * FIGC is first introduced in the early history section, but the accronym is only transalets much later, under Philosophy'
 * the entire section on Nero Verde Young was no sources
 * create a relevant link out for 'syntactic grass'
 * inconsistencies in year and day date formats e.g. 'eighties', 1970s', '9th of January'; 'In the year 2022'; etc. Check conventions

Review of the dates format. Luic1clement (talk) 16:31, 4 December 2023 (UTC)


 * should the words on the Anthem be in italics? Check conventions.

''Lyrics of the anthem changed to italics. Rednax11 (talk) 15:38, 4 December 2023 (UTC)''

Limelightangel (talk) 10:15, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * the page needs the addition of better See Also, External links and Categories. See:
 * 1) Help:Categories
 * 2) External_links
 * 3) Manual_of_Style/Layout


 * Youth sector inconsistency has been sorted
 * Link out the syntethic grass is done
 * Liuc11Anders (talk) 12:02, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Reference to the section "nero verde young" has been added Liuc11Anders (talk) 12:07, 4 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Corrected the links out to Venice football club, CONI, FIGC
 * translated accronym of FIGC in the section Hystory
 * added reference to the history section
 * Liuc11nicole (talk) 11:34, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * fixed style 'despite' in the history section
 * Liuc11nicole (talk) 16:10, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * style 'notably' fixed
 * Liuc11nicole (talk) 16:14, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * style 'Today', 'but' fixed
 * Liuc11nicole (talk) 16:19, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

edits
sponsors external links Liuc11Chiara (talk) 14:16, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Help: Dates and Numbers
Useful link for dates and numbers:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Dates_and_numbers Liuc11nicole (talk) 18:34, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Review 12/12/23
Fixed for now, but may need continuous improvement as pictures are added Done Fixed - Now all have text and not URL Youtube link has been deleted since it is not known if it is free to use or not La rassegna stampa needs a clear linked name, not a URL;
 * 13 minor edits made, mainly grammar
 * image captions: these can be improved to make them more relevant to the topic and for clarity 'off-page' in Wiki commons e.g. 'Alfredo Bovet of the Italian sports club USD Castellanzese, in 1932'; 'Home strip of Italian football club USD Castellanzese'; 'Stadium tribune of "Stadio comunale giovanni provasi' needs to be grammatically corrected and include 'USD Castellanzese'
 * the link to Alfredo Bovet needs to be moved to the first use of his name and the later link removed
 * Sponsors in External links need re-formatting for clarity (sponsors name as the link, not URLs)
 * Other in External links: YouTube is incorrectly spelled (and possibly unacceptable as a link - check);
 * references: where web sources do not have a named author you can use the publishing organisation in the author lastname field of the Cite Web template, or edit the reference to correctly add |last= | in the reference markup e.g. for ref 13: |last=Tutto Campo |- as done correctly for ref. 11.; the 'author' for the several sources from the official site is U.S.D. Castellanzese.

Added the right format to the links to USD Castellanzese. Rednax11 (talk) 16:40, 12 December 2023 (UTC)


 * reference inconsistency: some have 'in Italian', others do not

Added "in italian" to references. Rednax11 (talk) 15:36, 12 December 2023 (UTC) Has been added Fixed dublicates fixed Fixed Has been changed link out made Incorrect linkout removed Fixed Limelightangel (talk) 10:24, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 * See Also could be extended e.g. to include Sport in Italy, etc.
 * check for inconsistencies e.g. 'Neroverde initiative' vs. 'Nero Verde'; 'soccer' vs. 'football'; etc.
 * duplicate link out to Castellanza (three times); 'Eccelenza ';
 * 30 year gap in 'History'
 * font for first first team squad too small
 * I think goal difference format is +44, not 44+ - check
 * goal difference could be a relevant link out
 * incorrect link out from text to website: Municipal Stadium in Via S.Giovanni
 * The Affiliate teams are duplicarted
 * are there any images of an actual match or the team playing football?