Talk:USS Cimarron (AO-22)

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 * Biogeographic placename entemology (Cimarron) -- Cimarron a/k/a Los Cimarrones (The Maroons) may refer to Seminole Tribe (Indigenous Nation) removed from Florida.-StoryTrek (talk) 22:01, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
 * See also (Excerpt) -- W. W. Behrens, Jr. - US Naval Academy Midshipman. He may have influenced fleet oiler naming protocol with CNO William D. Leahy, whose wife sponsored Cimarron.-StoryTrek (talk) 22:05, 1 June 2017 (UTC) StoryTrek (talk) 22:05, 1 June 2017 (UTC)


 * , Hi, thanks so much for jumping in with ideas! I am not sure what you would like to have done with this information. It seems to be that the first bit about Cimarron is what would go in a WP:Disambiguation page, like Cimarron.


 * See also doesn't quite seem appropropriate for a link to W. W. Behrens, Jr., because I see no mention of the Cimarron there. Are you saying that content should be added there, and then either add some content here or a See also section?–CaroleHenson (talk) 22:53, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

As Cimarron's Gunnery & Public Affairs Officer (1967-68), I realized Behrens (Jr.) cited above was the son of CIM's first CO who was selected by CNO Leahey to guide both ship construction & commissioning. Because of its Philmont Scout Ranch proximity, the renamed "La Flecha" (Cimarron-Canadian River) became the indigenous nation's heritage after which this class of ship's was named.

Sources of background information include: Two Lectures: Transformation and Innovation - Defense Technical ... http://www.dtic.mil/get-tr-doc/pdf?AD=ADA423507 by W Murray - ‎2002 - ‎Cited by 4 - ‎Related articles takes a broader look at military innovation in this period by examining the .... Murray and Allan R. Millett, Military Innovation in the Interwar Period ...... example, as early as 1921, war games suggested that underway replenishment would ... StoryTrek (talk) 01:23, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

DTIC-PDF Excerpt (p.15) For example, as early as 1921, war games suggested that underway replenishment would be an essential element in a campaign across the Pacific. However, throughout most of the interwar period, there was simply not the funding to work out the possibilities. Of the greatest importance was that the habits of mind created at Newport (R.I.) carried on into the conduct of war. StoryTrek (talk) 01:28, 2 June 2017 (UTC)


 * I am not quite getting the tie between the comments that you first made and this info.


 * In the short run, the article needs footnotes for the only source that is listed. Then, see what is uncited - to then identify where new sources are needed. I can start working on that.–CaroleHenson (talk) 11:23, 2 June 2017 (UTC)


 * , I am sorry, I am still not getting what you're saying - which could be all me.


 * I've finished working on the citations for the article and have found that the ship may have been named after either of the Cimarron Rivers (tributary of Arkansas River or Canadian River), so I stated it that way in the infobox. Even from the way that the donation of the ship's bell to the Cimarron High School was worded, I wouldn't say that it's clear the original intent in the naming of the ship.


 * I'm not understanding the next points and couldn't find Cimarron in the document you mentioned. What specific pdf page (# of 92) is it on? Thanks!–CaroleHenson (talk) 00:37, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Source
I cannot find a reliable source for:


 * Her service ended abruptly after being side-swiped by the USS Hornet (CV-12) during an underway replenishment port-side approach along the San Diego, California, coastline in September 1968.

I tried combing through the 1968 newspapers and could not find anything - nor could I find anything through other searches. Does anyone know where there is a good source for this?–CaroleHenson (talk) 00:06, 3 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Reliable source; Would a copy of my 1-Oct-1968 USS Cimarron (AO-22) Permanent Change of Station (PCS) Orders qualify me as a reliable on scene source?
 * CAPT Ted Farrell, USN was CIM's Commanding Officer; and, he did not task me as collateral duty Public Affairs Officer (PAO) to submit any news release.
 * There were no injuries or lives lost making this a newsworthy regional event. Ship's logs and ComFirstFlt Board of Inquiry records may be archived with Naval Heritage and History Command (NHHC)

StoryTrek (talk) 00:28, 20 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Aerial photos showing the undamaged port side of USS Hornet (CVS-12): http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/12a.htm#021282
 * Traced history of USS Hornet's Navigator & Executive Officer (XO) ...
 * CDR. CHRIS W. LAMB To USS HORNET Lamb Assigned Aboard Hornet
 * Commander Chris W. Lamb of 91 E. Emerson St., Chula Vista, has been assigned to the carrier Hornet as navigator.
 * Lamb leaves the position of commanding officer of Fleet Composite Squadron Three, following (the) change of command ceremonies held Friday at North Island Naval Air Station. - He was relieved by Cmdr. Michael A. Patten. A native of Ohio, Lamb is a 1949 graduate of the Naval Academy.
 * Source: https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/116306788/

StoryTrek (talk) 02:10, 20 June 2017 (UTC)


 * USS Hornet (CVS-12) Deployment Dates: 30 Sep 1968 – 13 May 1969
 * https://www.history.navy.mil/research/library/online-reading-room/title-list-alphabetically/c/carrier-deployments-during-the-vietnam-conflict.html
 * Source: Hornet WestPac Cruise Report for above dates.


 * In-port, Yokosuka, Japan                                                        26 Oct 1968 – 28 Oct 1968


 * In-port, Hong Kong                                                                 22 Nov 1968 – 27 Nov 1968


 * In-port, Sasebo, Japan                                                            23 Dec 1968 – 2 Jan 1969


 * In-port, Subic Bay                                                                   27 Jan 1969 – 4 Feb 1969


 * In-port, Singapore                                                                   24 Feb 1969 – 4 Mar 1969


 * In-port, Subic Bay                                                                   24 Mar 1969 – 31 Mar 1969


 * In-port, Yokosuka, Japan                                                        29 Apr 1969 – 1 May 1969

Typical UNderway REPplenhment (UNREP) formation after completing course & speed alignment with guide ship (Fast Fleet Oiler in center)
 * https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:USS_Marias_(AO-57)_refueling_USS_Wasp_(CVS-18)_and_USS_Forrest_Sherman_(DD-931)_in_the_1960s.jpg

StoryTrek (talk) 01:17, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Walter W. Behrens, Sr. (First CO)
See Arlington National Cemetery Obituary (1937-1949)

https://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/wbehrens.htm

EarthSea-Keeper (talk) 02:36, 5 May 2023 (UTC)