Talk:USS Princeton (CVL-23)

Princeton survivors taken prisoner by Japanese warships
Is there, if any chance, of Princeton survivors to have swam into any Japanese warship, and later to be taken prisoner? hmssolent\Let's convene 01:54, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

I would say that there was zero chance any Princeton survivors were pulled out of the water by Japanese warships. There was about a six hour period from when the bomb hit Princeton, until the ship was abandoned, and more than another hour before USS Reno put two torpedoes into Princeton, to sink it. Although some Princeton Sailors were forced/blown over the side during this period, most likely responded to the "abandon ship" order as best as can be expected under these conditions. In any event, those who survived (108 died) would have been in the water around Princeton. There were many other U.S. Navy ships very close by to recover those in the water; Princeton was operating as part of a very large group (TG 38.3) which included three other carriers, two battleships, four cruisers, and twelve destroyers. Finally, no Japanese warships were anyplace close. Ozawa's decoy force was still many miles away to the north; it would never enter the waters where 38.3 was operating. Thomas J. Cutler's "The Battle of Leyte Gulf" has an excellent discussion of Princeton's ordeal. Cutler also mentions that sea conditions were rough that day, so in the odd event that a survivor was not recovered by other USN ships before sunset, it is unlikely that person would have survived the night.SeymourBears (talk) 12:06, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

USS Princeton ship wreck
"The Man Who Made the Monitor" by Olav Thulesius is a biography on John Ericsson, who created many inventions, including steam powered fire engine, the first screw-propelled warship, and multiple hot air engines. This book talks about many ship disasters but the USS princeton has multiple chapters on its diaster that some how connect to the naval architect, John Ericsson. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RYANMURR (talk • contribs) 23:47, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Rough Sea
Without in any way wishing to cause any offence it does strike me as just a little daft to continue to suggest that the ship was in rough seas when the clear clear pictorial record shows calm seas from the start of the incident to the final sinking. Best evidence rule and all that ... Chris (talk) 00:40, 11 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Are you saying the source is incorrect? "Moderately heavy swells caused Irwin to collide with Princeton, a much larger vessel, and the little destroyer took a physical beating from the collisions." Apparently, Morrison was also damaged as well. See below excepts from WW2 AAR's from Irwin and Morrison. Do you have another source besides your opinion of the photos? --Dual Freq (talk) 01:20, 11 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Rep of Ops East of the Philippine Is on 10/24/44, USS Irwin, by D.B. Miller, 27 October 1944. Enclosure A, Page 1 "Closed carrier but heavy rolling caused us to smash into her port side forward so backed all engines and cleared astern."


 * Rep of Ops East of the Philippine Is on 10/24/44, USS Irwin, Enclosure A, Page 2 "1040 Swells threw us further under overhang of PRINCETON gun nest and moved us slightly forward causing heavy damage to our outer bridge work. 1049 Lost starboard torpedo director, 40MM director, pelorus, starboard anchor and caved in starboard side of bridge. Gun nest now directly overhead and hitting bridge superstructure causing damage to main battery director and forward five inch mounts." ... "Heavy winds spreading fire on carrier and swells prevent good ship work alongside."


 * Rep of Ops East of the Philippine Is on 10/24/44, USS Irwin, Enclosure A, Page 3 1303 Left screen proceeded to assist MORRISON who was wedged under PRINCETON uptakes and unable to break loose." ... "Swells threw us into ships making it necessary to back clear. Very difficult maneuvering with one engine."


 * Rep of Ops in the Philippine Is, 10/24-27/44, USS Morrison, page 2 "Damage to lighter vessels which were figthing fire alongside the PRINCETON was caused by seas which rolled the ships together, causing the superstructure and flight deck of the PRINCETON to smash into the superstructure, bridges and masts of the destroyers alongside."


 * Rep of Ops & Loss of the USS PRINCETON on 10/24/44 East of Luzon Is, Philippines. Page 14. "1300" [Morrison unfortunately became wedged ...] "During this period a heavy rain squall passed over the ship. The weather was threatening and the sea was choppy, a true wind of about 18 knots was blowing from the northeast." --Dual Freq (talk) 01:53, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

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