Talk:USS Richard B. Anderson

Copyvio??
I speedy deleted this as a copyvio from http://www.vietnamproject.ttu.edu/dd786/ship's.htm which is clearly marked  ©Copyright 2005 The Vietnam Center, Texas Tech University | All Rights Reserved - however, it was restored with the note "No, it's copied from the public-domain DANFS, with a couple of snippets from ttu.edu".

Below are some examples of the snippets; extracts and the phrasing on the copywritten page:

Look forward to your thoughts - Gl e n 07:55, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Seems pretty clear to me. What's with the striking-out? —Phil | Talk 15:34, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

What was the question?
Seems very clear that text is essentially identical. If the source is indeed copyrighted, seems open and shut to me, well within your discretion to act on without further need for support. ++Lar: t/c 15:38, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

DANFS
The real source is at DANFS. Do not delete this. Jinian 16:38, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

As Jinian has explained—and I explained—the primary source for the text of this article is the Dictionary of American Naval Fighting Ships: http://www.history.navy.mil/danfs/r6/richard_b_anderson.htm Obviously, whoever did the ttu.edu page did the same thing I did: took the DANFS text and added some embellishments. Based on that page I added The only reason I put the link to the ttu.edu page at the top of my block of external links is that, being longer, I thought it looked better that way. Jeez! —wwoods 18:19, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
 * First captain's name: Hugh H. Murray
 * Among the Anderson's first crew members was Motor Machinists Mate Robert L. Anderson (Richard's brother).
 * In January 1953, Anderson was selected for a cameo appearance in The Caine Mutiny. At the end of the movie, she steams out of San Francisco as Willie Keith’s new ship.
 * "Swordfish" was the open-ocean, live-firing test of a Nuclear Anti-Submarine Rocket (ASROC) weapon.
 * ROCS Kai Yang (DDG-924) [The detail I was checking when I found the ttu page. DANFS just says "(No. 924)".]
 * She was awarded the Secretary of the Navy's Meritorious Unit Commendation three times, in addition to the Humanitarian Service Medal, and her personnel earned the Combat Action Ribbon five times.


 * Well, let's get this sorted then. Someone ought to take the copyvio off again (I can I guess since I placed it) and let's get the attribution corrected. Long term, though, WP prefers not to lift text verbatim, even if it's good text. So this article ought to be rewritten at some point. ++Lar: t/c 19:37, 13 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I see that the copyvio tagging has been reverted, but to prevent someone else inadvertantly thinking it is, let's get the references changed to point to http://www.history.navy.mil/danfs/r6/richard_b_anderson.htm instead, ok? ++Lar: t/c 01:46, 14 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I've reordered the external links. —wwoods 16:08, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Still have doubts
How can we be certain about this? After all, the copywritten pages existed a full year before the other according to archive.org - why cant it just be rewritten to save risk at all? - Gl e n 08:09, 14 September 2006 (UTC)


 * We're certain because DANFS was published by the United States Navy in the 1960s, 1970s and completed in 1981. According to the Naval Historical Center web site:
 * The first volume, covering ships starting with the letters A-B, was published in 1959. The first edition of the series completed in 1981 with the publication of Volume VIII (letters W-Z).
 * This is a valid use of public domain material. Although you are welcome to rewrite it if you'd like. Jinian 13:25, 14 September 2006 (UTC)


 * And the original version of DANFS is available at hazegray.org, ending, "As of January 1974, Richard B. Anderson is still operating out of Yokosuka..."
 * As you can see on, e.g., List of United States Navy ships, R, there are a lot of ships which have no article at all yet. Time spent rewriting articles can't be spent adding new ones.
 * —wwoods 16:08, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Crew sabatoge during Viet Nam
Documented engine sabotage by crew during Viet Nam war Seki1949 (talk) 00:21, 9 July 2012 (UTC)