Talk:USS Ticonderoga (CV-14)/Archive 1

Sponsor
It seems likely that the ship's sponsor was a member of the Pell family that restored Fort Ticonderoga, but I've not found any direct statement to that effect. Stan 13:01, 6 Oct 2003 (UTC)

I propose this page gets organized by basic info, then major deployments: WWII, Korea, Vietnam, then retirement and final status Davejenk1ns 07:07, 29 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Air Group Correction / Pell Family
The text incorrectly identifies the carrier's first Air Group. Air Group Eighty holds a rare distinction to this day: it was the only Air Group (before or since) to be commissioned along with its ship. Air Group 80 sailed on the Ticonderoga from commissioning until they were transferred to the Hancock following Ticonderoga’s 21-Jan-45 kamikaze attack.

Stan Shebs wondered about the Pell family. In a Ticonderoga history written by Niles Hamblin of the Ticonderoga Veterans Assn he writes: “The fourth U. S. Naval vessel to bear the name of the Revolutionary War era Fort in upper state New York, the Ticonderoga was sponsored by Stephanie Sarah Pell, of Pelham Manor, New York; daughter of Robert T. Pell of the United States State Department and granddaughter of Stephen H. P. Pell, through whose efforts Fort Ticonderoga was restored to its original status.”. Dstub 09:27, 18 August 2006 (UTC)dstub.

This article contradicts itself. There are two dates listed as to when the ship was sold for scrap: 15 August 1974 & 1st September 1975. Only one can be correct.

Broken Arrow?
Wasn't it an Empty Quiver? --76.202.226.195 (talk) 07:13, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Possible plagiarism?
A lot of this article comes from the following website which gives a copyright year of 2008, while the Wiki article is dated 2009: http://www.acepilots.com/ships/ticonderoga.html. There isn't even a citation for Ace Pilots in the Wiki article. Skaizun (talk) 02:52, 19 January 2011 (UTC)


 * No, it does not come from Ace Pilot. Per the note in the References section of this article, much of it is based on the DANFS article, which is public domain. Ace Pilot has copyrighted PD material, and has not acknowledged the source, or that it is public domain, which makes the plagiarism theirs. - BilCat (talk) 04:28, 19 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Even if it is not plagiarism, the tone of the material that was copied is inappropriate for use here. For example: "Wounded denizens of the deep often attract predators. Ticonderoga was no exception. The other kamikazes pounced on her like a school of sharks in a feeding frenzy. Her antiaircraft gunners struck back with desperate, but methodical, ferocity and quickly swatted three of her tormentors into the sea."  All of that kind of prose needs to be rewritten.  Wasted Time R (talk) 12:59, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Your information regarding Tico's deployment to the waters off North Korea, in 1969 is wrong. I crewed aboard Tico from late May, 1969 through my separation from active duty, in Oct., 1970.  When we were pulled off station, it was mid summer.  Zebra was set and we fought horrible weather and rough seas, as we launched the alert 5 and patrolled the area, trying to pick a fight with the North Korean's.  Be advised, it was pitch black on the flight deck, and we searched for pad eyes on our hands and knees, to secure aircraft after recovery.  This from former airman, Stephen Stoner, V1 division, fly 1, blue shirt/yellow shirt/tractor driver, USS Ticonderoga, CVA/CVS -14.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.244.33.235 (talk) 03:12, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

NPOV in Service History
I'm not an editor, but this article seems to lack a bit in NPOV and writes more like a dramatic rendition. The ship like many of her class participated in some pretty rough fights, but, instead of

" When a second suicide plane tried to finish off the stricken carrier, Ticonderoga's gunners joined those firing from other ships in cutting his approach abruptly short. That afternoon, while damage control parties dressed Essex's wounds, Ticonderoga extended her hospitality to that damaged carrier's homeless airmen as well as to Intrepid pilots in similar straits. "

perhaps

"Ticonderoga participated in task force defense of Essex, shooting down 1 inbound Kamikaze and later provided support and shelter for aircrews from Essex and Intrepid".

Official combat histories are just never as glamorous as dramatic pieces, but, that's how they get written.

--Patbahn (talk) 20:00, 12 March 2014 (UTC)


 * You are correct. As also discussed in the above section ("Possible plagiarism"), much of the material in this article is copied directly from a history of the Ticonderoga published online by the Department of the Navy, Naval History and Heritage Command in the Dictionary of American Naval Fighting Ships (DANFS) section, Ticonderoga, Part IV. Hopefully, someone with a history and/or Navy background will eventually be able to edit the article using additional sources and align it with WP:NPOV as you suggest. -  Mark D Worthen PsyD  07:39, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Tone
The narration of the article is not encyclopedic and has a melodramatic / "corny" feel to it, I propose a rewrite. Clearly the Tico had a great crew, but all the melodramatic embellishment is sub standard for Wiki. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anuoldman (talk • contribs) 13:51, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

again... this articles tone is ridiculous — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anuoldman (talk • contribs) 02:40, 27 August 2016 (UTC)


 * So Fix It already. - BilCat (talk) 02:48, 27 August 2016 (UTC)