Talk:US Senate career of John McCain (2001–2014)

Indian bill should be included
I believe that a this article should be amended in the following manner:

-Inclusion of proposed Senate bill 1003 (The Navajo Hopi Land Settlement Act of 1974 Amendments), introduced by John McCain in 2005. While this legislation never passed, I think it worth including in the article, as it was introduced by the senator.

I first heard about the bill via Black Mesa Indigenous Support (http://blackmesais.org/McCain_bill0805.htm). Regrettably, it's not exactly a balanced source.

I can't seem to find a balanced source with sufficient information apart from the following, though. http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s109-1003 (a summary of the bill) and http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:s1003: (containing full contents of bill)

Any additional encyclopedic-quality material would be appreciated apart from congressional materials in building this proposed edit of this particular wiki page.

I do believe that this page is incomplete, and a discussion on the other pieces of legislation he may have introduced or cosponsored are also worth including. JackCanada (talk) 06:29, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * A description of this bill may indeed be worth including, but as you say, it needs a third-party press story that gives some indication as to both sides of the issue and of its level of importance. Wasted Time R (talk) 00:20, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

separate article for post-2008 election
I think once we get enough, there should be a separate article to distinguish his Senate career after the 2008 article just like there is one for before 2000.--Levineps (talk) 13:04, 2 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Perhaps; that will be clearer once his time in the Senate is over. In any case, the readership of this article is miniscule, often single digits a day.  So it's not a decision that will affect readers much.  Wasted Time R (talk) 23:15, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Proposal to wrap up this subarticle
I propose to wrap up this subarticle, that is, rename it to Senate career of John McCain, 2001–2014 and stop updating it. Doing so would reflect reality – I stopped adding anything to it sometime last year.

The readership of this subarticle has always been miniscule. Just looking at this month's readership stats so far, when McCain has been in the news due to Trump's attack on him, we have: John McCain: 239,080 times, while Senate career of John McCain, 2001–present: 567 times. That's a 400:1 ratio. Now it's true that this matter was focused on McCain's POW time, and I'm pleased to see Early life and military career of John McCain: 30,470 times. But McCain is in the news a lot for his current remarks and stances and this subarticle never gets any readers no matter what. See for example February 2015, where a big "spike" is 80 viewers in a day compared to the usual 10. And most of these viewers are probably just clicking around from the main article and don't stay to read anything. Or go back a year before that, February 2014, when it ranges from 4 to 19 viewers a day. Or back to November 2010, his last Senate re-election, when the big "spike" on election day was ... 36 viewers.

I stopped updating this because having limited time and energy for this venture, this subarticle became a burden, to the point where I became averse to adding anything to the main article, knowing I'd have to add a longer version to this. Add everyone else stopped because everyone else never started – if you look at the page info stats, no one else has more than 7 edits to it once past the initial flurry during its creation in 2008.

McCain's career in the Senate will go forward; he's running for re-election again next year and so far doesn't seem to have any strong opponents. He's now chair of the Armed Services Committee and continues to always be on the Sunday morning talk shows and so he'll always be making news of some kind. But there's nothing that will happen that the main article can't cover succinctly. Consider this subarticle an experiment in WP:Summary style that went too far. Wasted Time R (talk) 13:30, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
 * No objection. Thanks for the notice at the main McCain article.  Of course, you are free to stop editing this article at any time, and your valiantly plodding service here has been much appreciated.  Editors can stop editing articles pretty much whenever they want, and certainly that's so in this case since your motives are perfectly reasonable.
 * That said, many many many Wikipedia articles are read less than this one is. The rule for editing the main McCain article ought to remain that nothing goes in there that would have gone only in here if you were still editing this article too.  If that's the rule, then I hereby bless your decision to stop editing this article.  :-)
 * I don't see any need to re-name this article, really, but have no objection to that either. My main point is that I don't want any re-naming of this article to cause bloat at the main article.Anythingyouwant (talk) 16:34, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It won't cause any extra bloat. As it happens, there is arguably already too much in the "Senate career after 2008" section of the main article compared to earlier sections – part of it is legitimate, based on his prominence and the frequency of his criticisms of Obama's foreign policy, but part of it is likely recentism (of which I am guilty along with others there).  Wasted Time R (talk) 00:59, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I've merged out the "Awards and honors" material that was here into the main article, since it now has such a section and it will be much more visible there. If you want to contribute to the plodding and slogging, there are some unformatted (added by another editor) and template-formatted (by me here) citations in that main article section that need formatting in the no-templates-allowed style that you led the way for at the main article.  Wasted Time R (talk) 00:05, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I count fourteen instances of "{{cite" in the main article. You'd like me to format them in the no-templates-allowed style?  Ah, this really is a wonderful day.  Your wish is my wish too.  :-)Anythingyouwant (talk) 03:14, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Done.Anythingyouwant (talk) 06:01, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay thanks. I didn't realize cite templates had crept into the early life section, not sure why I didn't spot them myself at some point.  I still disagree with the avoidance of using them (and their use has become even more widespread since 2007–08 when this was done), but it doesn't matter now, the article has to be consistent unto itself.  Wasted Time R (talk) 10:50, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I have now done the wrapping up. Wasted Time R (talk) 11:49, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

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