Talk:Ubba

Relevancy of content
There is a great deal of material in this article that is not demonstrably connected with Ubba. It makes the article much longer than necessary and contains lots of information (and speculation) that belongs elsewhere. Can we prune some of the paragraphs that don't relate to Ubba?--Mevagiss (talk) 13:08, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Notability and popular culture
The main source of present day notability for Ubba is his depiction in the Vikings TV show. This should be acknowledged.Heliotom (talk) 02:18, 27 March 2018 (UTC)


 * In the edit summary for my revert of your addition of a section titled "In popular culture", I said nothing about Ubba's notability. In full, my edit summary reads "Inaccurate, poorly written & formatted; not for this page". The inaccuracy and poor writing are evidenced by, for example, "Ubba (as Ubbe) features in History Channel's historical drama television series ..." – this statement, which ought probably to refer to "the History Channel", is logically impossible, since Ubba has been dead for well over 1,000 years – and "Ubba features in Bernard Cornwell's novel The Last Kingdom and the BBC America's series of the same name ...": the latter example shares the same logical impossibility, twice, but the reference to "BBC America" is inaccurate since the tv series was made by Carnival Films, a UK production company, for the UK channel BBC Two and BBC America. My reference to poor formatting arose from the failure to link Bernard Cornwell's name correctly – I see that you restored that error in your most recent edit. Those errors are of course easily fixed, but I have not yet explained "not for this page".


 * Per MOS:POPCULT, "Short cultural references sections should usually be entirely reworked into the main flow of the article. If a separate section for this material is maintained, the poorest approach is a list, which will attract the addition of trivia. It is preferable to develop a normal article section with well-written paragraphs that give a logically presented overview (often chronological and/or by medium) of how the subject has been documented, featured, and portrayed in different media and genres, for various purposes and audiences." As it stands, the "In popular culture" section takes "the poorest approach", made poorer still by the use of bullet points. And I doubt that two tv series and a book – all of which are merely quasi-historical dramatisations – provide enough material for "a normal article section with well-written paragraphs that give a logically presented overview" of Ubba's representation in modern media. If they do, even so this is how such a section ought to be written; not as a bullet-pointed list. Taking the alternative approach of working this information into the existing article, I can see how it might easily fit into the lead, and you might agree that it could possibly form a final prose paragraph in the section "Association with Ragnar Lothbrok", since the subject fits, and the section ends with discussion of historical sources. But that is merely a suggestion, to which others might not agree. As it stands I believe that this section is wholly inadequate, per WP's MoS; and that it is enough that the articles for the two tv series and the book might have links to this article. Hence my view that the section is "not for this page". Regards, Nortonius (talk) 12:01, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I must say I think we should mention his fictional appearances, as other articles normally do nowadays. But the recently reverted addition was not well done, and actually seemed wrong re his plot role in The Last Kingdom ("as leader of the invasion by the Great Heathen Army to avenge Ragnar's death"). That may be a historical motivation/excuse for the "invasion", but it is not portrayed so in either the novel or the tv series. Johnbod (talk) 12:08, 27 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Amended per suggestions Heliotom (talk) 12:39, 27 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Too many paragraphs that don't relate about UbbaYosakrai (talk) 05:49, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

Article length
The list of sources and other notes is about four times as long as the actual text content in the article. J I P &#124; Talk 23:56, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

This article has seventeen interwiki links, it is about 2.38 times as long as all the interwiki versions put together. J I P &#124; Talk 18:27, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

Religion
Talk anout his religion 188.255.231.140 (talk) 12:13, 17 March 2022 (UTC)


 * This is a little vague, any aspects of this in particular that should be mentioned in the article? TylerBurden (talk) 17:06, 17 March 2022 (UTC)