Talk:Ukrainian Orthodox Church

Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church (Renovated)
What is the "Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church (Renovated)"? Can anyone provide any references or links? Qe2 (talk) 11:04, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Etymology
Looking at the history of this page, it seems that users have vied with each other to order the churches. I propose establishing some type of neutral, scientific hierarchy, and have edited the page to fit the following structure:


 * 1) Churches in Ukraine
 * 2) Churces Outside of Ukraine
 * 3) Historical Churches

Within each category, I have then listed the churches in alphabetical order. (Even though this means that the Churches in Ukraine are basically ranked from smallest to largest.) Out of respect for the fact that the UOC-MP is legally incorporated as "UOC", I have alphabeticized under that name, but added a note to explain why M comes before K in this list.

I would welcome suggestions on other objective structures. Qe2 (talk) 08:22, 16 February 2008 (UTC)


 * To conform with consensus reached at talk:History_of_Christianity_in_Ukraine, I have relisted the Orthodox Churches in Ukraine according to number of adherants, as measured by consistent scientific surveys. Qe2 (talk) 05:34, 9 February 2009 (UTC)


 * If anyone has additional data, please do share it here or at talk:History_of_Christianity_in_Ukraine. Please do not just change order without any reason or support. Qe2 (talk) 08:10, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Old talk
Currently the UOC article is a redirect to History of Christianity in Ukraine. I suggest to make this an article about both UOC-KP and UOC-MP and redirect each of them into this article. It seems to me logical since these two churches currently claim both the jurisdiction and the name. The histories of the two are so intertwined that it is impossible to tell the story of one church without invoking the other all the time. As of today, most of these churches' history is the history of their rivarly. Opinions? -Irpen 20:19, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)

In my opinion it is better to expand "History of Christianity in Ukraine" and include information about all Christian churches in Ukraine even Protestant/Old Believer sects etc. in the article. The main focus should be on post-'Baptism of Rus' developments especially Orthodox vs. Unia. Every major contemprorary church in Ukraine deserves its own article...However, if you really want to merge the articles and think its gonna be better then go ahead. Fisenko 03:41, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * I agree with you that expanding the History article would be the best thing ideally. This was my original intention when I created that article by moving the rudiment UOC stuff there. However, the expansion of History article is not happening unfortunately. I hoped that I or someone else will write the article but so far it got only some occasional patchwork. OK, I suggest we keep a History article in our todo list and I will try to write here a brief summary of 90s - today events about two UOC churches rivalry. -Irpen 08:08, Jun 12, 2005 (UTC)

Disambig
The official name of the "UOC-MP" is just "UOC". UOC-MP is the label applied to it by UOC-KP and sometimes (but not universally) used in the media. Just to be sure I am explaining this right, to say "UOC under the patriarch of Moscow" or "UOC, autonomous under the Patriarch of Moscow" is correct. So say that the name of the church is Ukrainian Orthodox Church - Moscow Patriarchy is not correct. --Irpen 22:08, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Move-and-redirect proposal
In light of the large number of incoming links to this page, some of which refer to a broad concept of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church rather than a specific version of it, I propose to move this page to Ukrainian Orthodox Church (disambiguation) and redirect the existing title to History of Christianity in Ukraine. Cheers! bd2412 T 16:10, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
 * If there are no objections, I intend to implement this proposal in 24 hours. Cheers! bd2412  T 14:46, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Requested move 25 December 2023

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Bensci54 (talk) 17:21, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Ukrainian Orthodox Church (disambiguation) → Ukrainian Orthodox Church – The (disambiguation) suffix isn't necessary. Ukrainian Orthodox Church is currently a redirect to an only partially related article, for unclear reasons. Chessrat ( talk, contributions ) 19:49, 25 December 2023 (UTC)


 * How is the article about the Orthodox Church in Ukraine only partially related to the phrase "Ukrainian Orthodox Church"? :) Anyway, let's look at the reader behavior - |Ukrainian_Orthodox_Church_(disambiguation) page views comparison between primary redirect and hatnote destination indicates there could be a lot of ambiguity and a lot of traffic to the hatnote, however WikiNav shows only 32 identified clicks on the hatnote in October, compared to 147 views of the primary redirect (~22%). A look into the clickstream archive shows that ratio to have been 19 vs 131 in September (~15%) and 25 vs 177 in August (~14%). The overall higher traffic to the disambiguation page could be because there are other incoming redirects there, one of which also went here until 2022, while the other's been there since 2017. Ultimately it seems to be a choice of whether it's best to use a short list format to resolve this ambiguity or longer prose section format as it is in the history article. --Joy (talk) 09:16, 26 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Support per Joy, using a concise list format to address this ambiguity is a far superior approach compared to employing a lengthier prose section. This DAB page offers a clear and structured way to present information. Each item is distinct and easily identifiable. In contrast, prose can sometimes confuse the reader. Yorkporter (talk) 19:36, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.