Talk:Ulm/Archive 1

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Quote: In 1938, it again became a "free city" (which means that it didn't belong to a county)

Anyone care to expand on this? It seems quite an important part of Ulm's recent history.

--Spiggot 16:25, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

It seems to be a complete unneccessary and misleading quote. Every town which exceeds the number of 100.000 exhabitants beomes that status, which means that it now is an urban district and not longer part of a county. The quote pretends a status like that of a Imperial Free City, of which it is far from, but in fact Ulm was once one. In the moment it looks like the Nazis granted the City of Ulm a special status, but it only exceeded 100.000 people in 1938.

I changed it, for non-Germans the old quote seemed to be simply confusing. Gerhard51 16:50, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

I rewrote and extended the article. Hope you like it. There is however still much to do. Candidus 11:20, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

The Hirschstraße picture currently says "View from the Münster towards Hirschstraße. Due to its almost complete destruction in 1944, this part of the city consists of modern architecture only.", which isn't true. For example, today's "Wöhrl Plaza", former "Hertie" has survived the WW II bombings, although it was damaged and had to be repaired. It's the building with the distinctive roof on the left, the thing that looks like a chopped-off cylinder with a peak in the middle. This is the location of the central stairhouse of the building, which had a glass dome in earlier times, as historical photographs show. Also, right above the entrance (not visible from the picture in the article), there is a stone relief that was hidden behind metal blinds/covers (covering the entire building's front and sides) during the "Hertie" times, and discovered again during renovation when it was turned into the "Wöhrl Plaza". Today, it is sometimes covered with advertising, but if you're lucky, you get to see it. Maybe someone could "wikify" this information and add it to the article? At least change the statement that all Hirschstraße buildings are post-war buildings - this is just plain wrong. 85.216.17.14 20:24, 2 December


 * Thanks for the hint. I replaced "only" by "primarily". I think this term adequately describes the situation. Candidus 11:23, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Münster
I propose to replace "Ulm Münster" by "Ulm Minster". Münster is not a proper name, so it should be translated. The correct translation is Minster. ---Dagbert (talk) 18:08, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


 * We should consider three points before replacing "Münster" by "Minster":
 * 1. Which is the most widely used term in English for that church?
 * 2. Which term would be correct in an ecclesiastical sense?
 * 3. Which term would be readily understandable for English speakers?
 * Ad 1: A google hit count is probably not the best reference, as the article of the church itself has been moved to "Ulm Minster" and a lot of google hits will just reflect the Wikipedia article. In the 1911 version of the Encyclopaedia Britannica and also in the most recent online version, the church is called "cathedral", in the Columbia Encyclopedia, "minster".
 * Ad 2: A cathedral is usually defined as the seat of a bishop, a minster as a collegiate church. The Ulmer Münster however has neither been a collegiate church nor the seat of a bishop. It was instead built and used by the citizens of Ulm.
 * Ad 3: Is "minster" an expression that is used mostly in British English? Perhaps a native speaker of English could better decide on that point.
 * All in all, I think "minster" would be appropriate (although it is a compromise), but I would appreciate more input on that question from native speakers.Hori-Lu (talk) 14:44, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Notable inhabitants
Is Gerhard Klopfer really a notable inhabitant of Ulm? He was not born in Ulm and did not make his career in Ulm. He just came to Southern Germany after the war and obviously practiced as a lawyer. In the NYT acticle cited in his Wikipedia entry (see New York Times (Obituary)), it is even stated that he actually practiced in Neu-Ulm, not in Ulm, and that he died in Heilbronn. Hori-Lu (talk) 16:00, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

After reviewing the list a second time, I also find the connection of Claus von Stauffenberg to Ulm to be very distant. In my opinion, he should also be removed from the list. Hori-Lu (talk) 16:25, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Ecology
Sorry people, the ecology section was a complete mess. Please don't add isolated facts which are of questionnable importance. For a person not acquainted with the German zeal concerning ecology, the whole section was not readily understandable. Who in the world reading this article should know what "KFW40" (a German energy standard for houses) stands for?

I cleaned up the whole section and rephrased the sentences. At the end of the article, I added a reference section, because up to now, the references you included could not be seen... For the plant operated by FUG, there are no references for the bold claims. Please add them, otherwise this will be deleted.

I already deleted the sentence on the "World Shop", because there was no reference at all and I just don't see what is so special about this shop that it should go into the article. There are numerous shops and companies in Ulm with a certain business model which are also not mentioned. Wikipedia is not a place for advertisement. Ulmensis (talk) 14:28, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Jewish community
I would very much appreciate some facts about the Jewish community in Ulm, past and present. However, the section I deleted from the article just consisted of some isolated facts about the Hasidic movement. Such details are not of interest if they are not presented in a coherent context. To save the text, I included it here:

== Jewish community ==

The Hasidic sect of Ulm, a branch of the Spinka dynasty, originally stems from Ulm. The contemporary Ulemer Rebbes trace their lineage back to the Grand Rabbi of Spinka, Rabbi Joseph Meir Weiss. The following describes the procession of the dynasty to the way it appears today:
 * Grand Rabbi Joseph Meir Weiss, (1838–1909 (ו' אייר תרס"ט)) &mdash; Spinka Rebbe - Author of Imrei Yosef
 * Grand Rabbi Isaac Weiss, (1875–1944) &mdash; Spinka Rebbe - Author of Chakal Yitzchak, son of the Imrei Yosef
 * Grand Rabbi Israel Chaim Weiss, (d. 1944) &mdash; son of the Chakal Yitzchak
 * Rabbi Shmuel Friedman, Chief Rabbi of Ulem &mdash;- son of Rabbi Yaakov Yitzchak Friedman, zt"l - son-in-law of Rabbi Israel Chaim Weiss.
 * Rabbi Yaakov Yitzchak Friedman, present Ulemer Rav of Kew Gardens Hills, Queens, N.Y., son of Rabbi Samuel
 * Rabbi Chaim Joseph Friedman, Brezaner Rav of Boro Park, Brooklyn, N.Y., son of the Ulemer Rav
 * Rabbi Berish Friedman, Spinka Rav of Rego Park, Queens, N.Y., son of the Ulemer Rav
 * Rabbi Hershel Friedman, Seilish Rav of Williamsburgh, N.Y., son of the Ulemer Rav

Ulmensis (talk) 14:42, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Pictures from 1945
I have in my possession pictures taken of the Munster Cathedral and pictures taken from the top of the Cathedral, looking down on the city's destruction shortly after World War II. These were taken by my father in October of 1945 who was with Co. E 141st Infantry, 36th Division. I also have an original newspaper ( The Outpost, Sept. 1945 ) article and picture of the Cathedral from ground level which shows the destruction looking down the street toward the Cathedral.

Robert Skrobecki rskro@yahoo.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.84.225.242 (talk) 22:12, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Imperial road
From what I've been researching, Ulm was, it seems, located on an Imperial road, which would be a significant reason why it was an important trade center. But as of yet, this is not confirmed or mentioned specifically in this article. Ulm doesn't appear on this map—File:Via Imperii und Via Regia.png, and is not mentioned in Reichsstraße (Middle Ages) or Via Imperii. However, it is implied in Geislingen an der Steige, House of Helfenstein and Helfenstein Castle. If somebody could clarify, it would be appreciated. ~Thanks, ~Eric F 74.60.29.141 (talk) 19:58, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Otherwise associated with Ulm
Last entry: "Johann Gambolputty de von Ausfern Schplenden Schlitter Crass Cren Bon Fried Digger Dingle Dangle Dongle Dungle Burstein von Knacker Trasher Apple Banger Horowitz Ticolensic Grander Knotty Spelltinkle Grandlich Grumblemeyer Spelter Wasser Kürstlich Himble Eisenbahnwagen Gutenabend Bitte einen Nürnburger Bratwürstel Gespurten mit Zweimache Luber Hundsfut Gumberaber Schönendanker Kalbsfleisch Mittelraucher von Hauptkopft of Ulm, German Baroque composer in Monty Python's Flying Circus."

Seriously?

WeaselADAPT (talk) 09:23, 25 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Without a doubt the best laugh I had today. Man I love wikipedia --Gargletheape (talk) 00:27, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Neu-Ulm Separation
I have been trying to find out more about the separation of Neu-Ulm from Ulm and the border changes between Württemberg and Bavaria. According to the German wiki article: "'The Treaty of Compiègne of 24 April 1810, which came under significant pressure Napoleon, was agreed between the kingdoms of Bavaria and Württemberg an area exchange. A treaty between Bavaria and Württemberg of May 1810 regulated the details. Bavaria resigned its sovereignty over the city of Ulm and parts of Upper Swabia to Württemberg. The demarcation took place in the middle of the Danube. The island and the possessions of Ulm remained on the right bank of the Danube near Bavaria.'" but there are no references. I can't find anything about this treaty. Maybe I need to work on my German and dig something up. Pelirojopajaro (talk) 08:46, 20 July 2019 (UTC)