Talk:Ulster people

Ulster Scots entry
The entry is included per Ian Adamson, The Ulster People: Ancient, Medieval and Modern, (Bangor: Pretani Press 1991) ISBN 0-948868-13-9, by way of Olchug's statement Unless you can make a case that Olchug was mistaken, that is sufficient for inclusion,. Paradoctor (talk) 01:57, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * If we are to include the fringe and uncommon usage of a term by a solitary individual, the dab pages will be overflowing. Mutt Lunker (talk) 02:06, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Kindly WP:PROVEIT. Paradoctor (talk) 02:25, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * This isn't a quote from the source anyway, it's Olchug's assertion as to its meaning. There is no obligation upon us to accept that, unsupported. With their highly confused editing of 1700-1900 yesterday, I certainly wouldn't. It's for them to prove their case, not us to disprove it. Mutt Lunker (talk) 02:28, 9 March 2022 (UTC)


 * I clearly attributed the statement to Olchug.
 * "unsupported" He provided the source for his claim. Assuming editors who disagree with you are incompetent is not in line with WP:AGF. You say he's wrong, show it.
 * , since you have access, maybe you could provide a quote?
 * More to the point, using a holonym in place of the fully qualified term is a standard maneuver in communication. There is no prima facie reason to believe that Adamson is the only one who did that. Paradoctor (talk) 02:45, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I was reading the III part. Here are several quotes:
 * I still think that Ulster Scots entry should be included in this disambiguation page. --Olchug (talk) 08:40, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I still think that Ulster Scots entry should be included in this disambiguation page. --Olchug (talk) 08:40, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I still think that Ulster Scots entry should be included in this disambiguation page. --Olchug (talk) 08:40, 9 March 2022 (UTC)


 * These quotes only tell me that the "Ulster people" were immigrants from Ulster. How does that translate to "Ulster Scots people"? Surely the immigrants were not exclusively of Scottish ancestry? Paradoctor (talk) 09:37, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * But Ian Adamson talks here only about Ulster Scots, as far as I can see. Thus I think it's better to include. But if other users are against, then I do not insist on inclusion of this entry. Olchug (talk) 09:42, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * You may see it, but where does he say it? It is not apparent to me. A gentle reminder, from WP:CHALLENGE: . The important bit here is "directly". I cannot read your claim off the quotes you provided. If you can't come up with such a citation, then we don't have enough to justify inclusiom. Paradoctor (talk) 10:22, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

If we now agree that The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material, not those who challenge said material, are we resolved that the inclusion of Ulster Scots people on the page is not, after all, supported?

I'll note the creative characteristation of my reference to confused edits would not itself seem to sit well with AGF. Mutt Lunker (talk) 23:20, 9 March 2022 (UTC)