Talk:Ultimate Fighting Championship/Archive 1

Image removals


ok, even though im pro Anti-UFC and so i dont care on contributions, but id have to ask cuz it says that UFC 23 to UFC 29 were never released on DVD but what is this? it seems that UFC 25 does have a DVD video; whats goin on??? T00C00L 04:58, 18 August 2006 (UTC)


 * If you click on the picture and check out the larger image, you can clearly see japanese on the cover. The DVDs apparently were released only in Japan. The language on UFC 23-29 and on this page should reflect that or make that clearer if it hasn't already tho. hateless 15:47, 17 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Only UFC 25 (Ultimate Japan 3) was released in Japan, the rest of 23-29 were not. As far as I know, some were released in the UK as well, where different companies own the rights. Skeletor2112 04:33, 18 August 2006 (UTC)


 * well, im sure there were posters for those 'lost' events, u oughta at least post those on the UFC event articles!!! all the wrestling event articles feature posters, not DVD or VHS covers!!! --T00C00L 04:58, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Unknown Oct 2007 Event
I just removed " ZUFFA is currently planning on a blockbuster event for late October of 2007.  When, interviewed, UFC president Dana White did not reveal a lot of details on possible match-ups, but did specify that Wanderlei Silva, Chuck Liddell, Fedor Emilianenko, Josh Barnett, and Mike Tyson are all set to fight on the card.     "

from the intro section. These refferences to not back up the statements being made.

Remove or move Drew Beal from intro to another section
The first paragraph interrupts its overview to state: "Drew Beal has taken every weight class by storm, and is the raining [sic] champion of the UFC world." Sounds like it was put in by a Beal fan. Suggest moving to "Current Champions" (which contradict this statement, btw) or "Notable UFC Fighters". Or removing. (I am not making this change myself because I am not a UFC expert.) Bratling 12:56, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Randy Couture
I added Randy to the hall of famers (He just got inducted a few minutes ago) I wasn't sure if there was a UFC designation number for the Season 3 Finals, so I just put "Season 3 Finals". Glasgallow 02:35, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Before trying to edit him as champ please refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mixed_martial_arts#Couture_as_UFC_Heavyweight_Champion. Randy's resignation was not accepted by the UFC and he is still the UFC's heavyweight champ. Here is a statement from Dana White on the subject.Aladdin Zane 13:49, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Bas Rutten - notable UFC fighter?
I don't want this to descend into an edit war but does Bas Rutten count as a notable UFC fighter? I will stop reverting it if there is a consensus but I feel he is notable. He was in a few of the UFC video games, he was UFC heavyweight champion and he was well-known, despite his relatively few fights. Any opinions because the anonymous user who keeps changing it has moved on to editing pages I've spent a lot of time on and it is annoying me. -- Crazyknight 18:46, 16 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Yea, I'd say Rutten is a notable UFC fighter - as you said he was champion, and a popular and well known one at that. Any former UFC champion is a notbale UFC fighter, IMO.  And the anonymous user reverting that stuff again and again is "TooCool" (also T00C00L) who was blocked a while ago, but is now back to his old ways... :/ Skeletor2112 09:55, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Rothwell
Rothwell never signed with the UFC.


 * So???207.246.181.26 (talk) 15:58, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Efrain Escudero
I'm not saying that Efrain was not born in Mexico, but the moment he took the American oath to become a American citizen. He is no longer considered a Mexican, but a Mexican American. They even referred Efrain as a Mexican American on The Ultimate Fighter 8, Not just as Mexican. User 207.246.181.26 until you can bring proof other wise, you are in violation of the vandalism rule. I suggest you stop and find more proof other than one statement on a TV show! Or I will post this on the Administrators' noticeboard --EHDI5YS (talk) 22:41, 15 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure which way is right. I thought I heard them say on the finale broadcast that Efrain claimed he was Mexican, thus the Mexican flag would be appropriate.  However, I agree with EHDI5YS' point that he lives & went to school in the US, and thus may be American.  I did a quick search, and was not able to find a source that claimed one way or another.  It would be nice if there was a source that could tell us definitively one way or another so we don't have to depend on the broadcast.  --TreyGeek (talk) 06:46, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

The mexican flag is the appropriate one, however i am not able to find an online source that proves this other than on the actual broadcast of The Ultimate Fighter 8 Finale during the "tail of the tape" (where they compare the fighters reach, age, etc.) the mexican flag was used under Efrain in contrast to Phillipe's american flag. I will continue to search for a source in order to prove my point but as of now i am unable to find one. Along with this nonsense of accusing me of vandalizing this page, EHDI5YS has not given any evidence to support his claims. I should report him to the Administrators' noticeboard. All i can say at this point is just watch the actual broadcast and you'll realize that your wrong, but until then i will continue to search for an online source. And you better prove to me that the american flag is appropriate, because you have yet to cite anything. 207.246.181.26 (talk) 17:05, 16 December 2008 (UTC)


 * If i may share my thoughts on the subject, USER EHDI5YS im sorry but i think 207 is right. I don't feel like finding any sources but i did watch the finale on TV and when it was compairing the fighters (Efrain and Phillipe) the ufc showed the Mexican flag.  Im pretty sure what the ufc says is what should go on wikipedia. 143.43.210.32 (talk) 20:06, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Unlike some of you I don't rely on TV, I get real proof! I did alot more then a "quick search".
 * MMA site
 * MMA site 2
 * His own myspace, states nothing about Mexico, but every thing about Arizona!

So think what ever you want! But get proof to back it up next time!!!! --EHDI5YS (talk) 20:48, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

P.S. 207.246.181.26, I better prove to you that the American flag is appropriate!? Who the F are you, some kinda MMA God???! I don't have to prove shit to you! You better go some where with that. Cause your talking to a grown man, not some damn child!
 * Good job. --TreyGeek (talk) 21:13, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * No opinion on which flag yet, but I'd like to point out those two MMA sites you linked to are wikis and thus not reliable sources. The easiest way to solve this is probably to find an interview or something to find out what Escudero himself prefers. Also EHDI5YS, please keep it civil and stop the personal attacks. 207 makes a valid point. --aktsu (t / c) 21:23, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * It's not a personal attack. I'm sorry to say the truth, but when a complete stranger is talking to you and says " you better prove to me", how are you going to take? Well I took it as an insult! "207 makes a valid point", were is his proof of this valid point? What a TV show! What dose that mean? (Nothing!) The two MMA sites that I linked to are wikis, so what? Wikipedia is a Wiki also, and thus Wikipedia is unreliable also? I also see you didn't have one word about his own myspace. What your going to say it's fake? How with all those personal pics?  --EHDI5YS (talk) 21:34, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * When the UFC itself used an Mexican flag for Escudero I find it very reasonable to ask you to present arguments for your view of using an American flag for him here. Also please review RS for what constitutes a reliable sources appropriate for Wikipedia. As for his Myspace, it might very well be that he considers himself American, but looking over the page I saw nothing definitive to show that. You'd think if he completely disregarded his Mexican roots he'd tell the UFC to use an American flag for him on TUF. I don't think this issue is as simple as you think. --aktsu (t / c) 21:49, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * How can you say two contradictory things back to back? Do some of you reread the things you put? First you put "find an interview or something to find out what Escudero himself prefers" then you put "it might very well be that he considers himself American", so wich one are you going to back? I don't know what nationality you guys may be, nor do I care. But as a Mexican American my self, maybe Escudero is proud of both, like I am? But that doesn't change that facts that if he became a American citizen, that the US flag is the correct flag no matter if he was born in Mexico. Take Pamela Anderson was born in Canada holds both American and Canadian citizenship's, would any of you say she isn't a American? --EHDI5YS (talk) 21:54, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

I want to show you I'm a man of compromise, are you? I made this just to end this argument! Cause we are distracting the fact that he is a great fighter! --EHDI5YS (talk) 22:03, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I probably should have pointed out the guidelines for flags earlier but forgot; Manual_of_Style_(icons) and Manual_of_Style_(icons). Also, found this interview where they write: Escudero is proud of his Mexican heritage, [...] "It gives me great pleasure to represent my country", Escudero says. You must remember nationality is separate from citizenship, and the flag could represent both. If Escudero specifically makes it clear he represents Mexico and considers himself a Mexican, that should be taken into consideration. Although, if we can't reach a consensus, the best solution might be to leave the flag out completely. Edit: Or, after seeing your flag, maybe you're on to something there! Would definitely like to hear what the others think. --aktsu (t / c) 22:18, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * You know, thinking more about it I really don't know... Arguments can be made either way, and there's really no right and wrong when it comes to nationality. Who are we to say he's American when he considers himself Mexian, then again he have lived almost his entire life in the USA. I really like EHDI5YS's flag so maybe that's a good compromise. Another solution would be to actually follow the MOS:FLAG guideline and remove all the flags, but that's not going to happen... --aktsu (t / c) 22:48, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

I really feel that I wasted a lot of time over a flag, I just want to move forward in supporting the sport. So the point of all this is I'm out really don't care, all the naysayers have won! Efrain is immigrated American citizen, who is a born Mexican national. Good day all! It was fun having the battle of wits with those who competed on a respectful level. --EHDI5YS (talk) 23:10, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The solution to his ordeal is to get rid of the flags entirely as Aktsu suggested; but as he said, that's not going to happen. I also agree with Aktsu that wiki's are generally not acceptable sources of information (and yes, Wikipedia by itself should not be used as a reference, that's why we have to cite sources for everything).  As for whether Escudero's flag should be the Mexican flag or the US flag, I'm still undecided (and it may be that I don't care that much :).  Escudero has spent most of his life living in the US and was educated here (I don't remember hearing if he has been granted US citizenship or not).  I also think I heard that he represents Mexico during the Ultimate Fighter Finale, but am not positive. (I don't listen to Mike Goldberg that much.  And yes, I think broadcasts can be used as a 'source.'  That's how we can get away without citing sources for what happens during UFC events and TUF episodes).
 * Bottom line is I really don't care which way it goes unless there is solid evidence that it is one way or another. There are many aspects of UFC articles that I think are not done well/correctly. (I point to the plethora of TUF competitors with Wikipedia articles that contain no references and are often cut/pasted/plagerized from the UFC or TUF websites.)  However, I have other things and articles I'd rather spend my time on.
 * If we can get away with a split flag, go for it. --TreyGeek (talk) 23:44, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

I would just like to thank EHDI5YS for being disrespectful toward me with his personal attacts earlier, and EHDI5YS I really enjoyed the fact that you think your such a big man calling me a child, where I can guaranty you that I have followed and enjoyed the great sport of MMA much longer than you have. Also, your "real proof" is not reliable and considered a waste of time, thank you. Now to everyone else, I would just like to apologize to all those who enjoy using wikipedia as much as I do for EHDI5YS's space consuming edits that solved nothing. And to leave on a final note, the flag represents nationality (not citizenship) and Efrain was born in Mexico by Mexican parents. So EHDI5YS please do the math. 207.246.181.26 (talk) 23:44, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

To all I have left to say to 207.246.181.26 is man your one great reader! "you think your such a big man calling me a child" even though I said "Cause your talking to a grown man, not some damn child!" except for the few missing word, you came really close. The flag represents nationality? No since there is nothing in the entire page that states what the flag represents anything at all, it could mean anything! I started watching MMA after you did? You might be right? My first UFC event I ever watched was Ultimate Ultimate 1996, but what could I do about it? I was only 9 years old at the time. I remember it clear as if it was yesterday, cause it was only a few months later after seeing Julio César Chávez Vs. Oscar De La Hoyain 1996 that I begged my parent's to let me see them both. That was just about same time I started training in boxing under Tony & Mike Ayala in San Antonio, Texas till the age of 17, and when I started wrestling in High school from ages of 13 - 17 and recently start training in BJJ under team Choco, here in VA. Please have fun watching combat sports, cause I can guarantee you I have been competing in them as long as you been watching. I also will leave on a final note, a little dose of reality from me Diego the person, not EHDI5YS. Out of all my guarantee's, I can guarantee you that if this was face to face you would never talk to a complete stranger the way you did.


 * Im sorry Mr. Diego, i didn't realize this was the section that talks about your stupid life story.  207.246.181.26 (talk) 04:24, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

I think I'm going to start deleting any discussions not related to Efrain Escudero and which flag to use. Both EHDI5YS and 207.246.181.26 are getting _WAY_ off-topic. If you two wish to continue your 'discussion' I suggest you take it to one of your own user talk pages. It does not belong here. --TreyGeek (talk) 04:30, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't give a flying _ over the flag anymore, but if 207.246.181.26 or any one else like 67.163.17.113 thinks that they put me in place they are mistaken! But I did what TreyGeek sugested and took it to 207.246.181.26 talk page. 


 * EHDI5YS took the "discussion" to my talk page, and ended up getting permanently banned from wikipedia. Thank god. 207.246.181.26 (talk) 15:58, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Matt Lindland

 * EDIT: this used to be under the "Lindlands shirt and Documentary" section.

I feel that a description of the Lindland / UFC situation, and alleged theories regarding it are misplaced in the "mainstream reamergance" paragraph, and more properly belong on a Matt Lindland page. Thunderlippps 02:25, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

The Ultimate Fighter season 2
The fights werent exhibition fights, they were actual pro fights. They count on the fighters record. This board seems to list Sherdog alot, but FCFighter is the more accurate fighter database. All of the fights during season 2 counted on their pro record. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.244.188.168 (talk) 22:26, 7 December 2006 (UTC).
 * By law, results of sanctioned pro fights in Nevada are posted publically by the NSAC on their website immediately (1-2 business days, which is considered immediate for a govt. agency) after they occur, and they weren't for season 2. They were instead posted after the series finale. FCFighter's databse includes amateur fights as well, so just because those fights show up on their database doesn't mean they are considered pro bouts. Fights for the Finales are not exhibitions however, and they do get counted, you may have been confused by that. As for the UFC, they don't count TUF exhibition matches in a fighter's UFC record (for instance, see Melvin Guillard's profile). hateless 23:49, 7 December 2006 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Floodo1 (talk • contribs)

UFC 83
what about ufc 83? theres nothing here--Vik.sanchez (talk) 14:27, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Responded on the UFC 82/84 talk pages, but I'll put it here as well. At this time, there's no verifiable information about the event, so we can't make an article about it. Once the UFC makes some announcement about the event (primarily when/where, since that's been completely in flux the last couple of weeks, we can put something up. Quite frankly, UFC 84 shouldn't really be up either, since the UFC still hasn't booked a venue, can't confirm a date, and the articles posting information about the fights signed for that event/date are just speculating that it's going to be UFC 84 (without actually knowing), but I doubt I could rally a consensus to delete the page at this point. Gromlakh (talk) 15:42, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh ok, I get it now, thanks for your reply, one more question, have you heard something about who’s fighting on ufc 85? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vik.sanchez (talk • contribs) 18:29, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Nothing more than rumors at this point. I know I recall seeing an article or two about a couple of fighters who expected to fight May 24 (I think...) and they were anticipating that event would be UFC 85, but nothing concrete enough to make an article. There probably won't be for at least another couple of months at least. Gromlakh (talk) 18:53, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

UFC 85
I heard rumors that UFC 85 will be in Mexico, around the Cinco de Mayo (may 5th) holiday, celebrating Mexican heritage and pride, with fighters like Tito Ortiz, Roger Huerta, Nick Diaz, Diego Sanchez and others. could someone comfirm that? Vik.sanchez (talk) 14:20, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
 * UFC has made no announcement about going to Mexico. Dana White mentioned he'd like to go to Mexico, but nothing official is announced. Otherwise Nick Diaz won't be a part of any UFC event any time soon, he's contracted exclusively to EliteXC. Tito is fighting Lyoto Machida in May, but that will likely be in Vegas. hateless 04:35, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Much as I like to see Nick Diaz mix it up, he's not going to fight on a UFC card unless White and the Ferrita's buy out his contract from Showtime's EliteXC start-up, as hateless mentions  gaillimh  Conas tá tú? 07:16, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

UFC 94 GSP v Penn greasing controversy
Currently, on the BJ Penn page there is a nice paragraph discussing rules changes in response to the greasing of George St-Pierre. I think this should be added under the "evolution of the rules" section, and I will do so in a few days if no one objects. Please discuss Floodo1 (talk) 02:12, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Fouling
I was wondering if a more experienced UFC fan would know if the prohibition of cage grabbing is limited to the hands, I've seen fighters in Season 3 post on the cage with their feet. (Not sure which fights, sorry) Glasgallow 02:39, 25 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Check out http://boxing.nv.gov/docs/MMA%20RULES%20Expained.pdf, it's NSAC's expansion into what the list of fouls entails. For cage grabbing, it's a foul "When a fighters fingers go through the cage and grab hold of the fence and start to control either their body position or their opponents body position". Palming and pushing off the fence is ok. Toes should not be a concern since toes (presumably) are not long enough or strong enough to cause that kind of foul. hateless 01:45, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Any idea why rule #31 is on there -- is it correctly worded? I verified the listing on the UFC website, but do not understand the rule. Clearly corners are allowed to stop fights, which is literally or figuratively "throwing in the towel," so how is this a foul? Isn't it the same effective move as a tapout? It doesn't make sense.anonymous 01:05, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * It is a copy/paste job from the NSAC website, so it's legit. From what I read elsewhere, the way to do a corner stop is not by throwing the towel because it causes potential hazard; someone can slip on it. I believe the proper way to forefit is to do so verbally. As for why it's listed by the NSAC as a point-deducting foul, I'm not quite sure myself. hateless 01:11, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

How is throwing in the towel during competition a foul? Throwing in the towel is in most combat sport is sign to a referee of a fighter submission by their corner. TKO, corner stoppage: a fighter's own cornerman signals defeat for their own fighter. --EHDI5YS (talk) 23:38, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * You'll have to ask the Nevada State Athletic Commission that :P Guess they like to be different or something... --aktsu (t / c) 23:41, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Yup, take it up with the NSAC. There's a previous discussion of it at the top of the talk page.  --TreyGeek (talk) 23:46, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

It's a foul that ends the fight. Which is to say, its intended purpose. 207.246.181.26 (talk) 23:48, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Elbow foul
I'm not an expert in this sport at all, but I was just watching UFC 61 and there were downward elbow blows all over the place when the fighters were grappling on the ground. According to the article those are considered fouls by the NSAC (UFC 61 took place in Las Vegas), which seems incorrect to me. --Bk0 (Talk) 01:02, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Downward elbow strikes are tricky, but they are defined specifically as those at the "12 o'clock position" to the "6 o'clock" position. Downward strikes at an angle (say, 11 to 5, or 1 to 7) are ok. See Big John McCarthy's explanation on this interview or NSAC's rule expansion here. Actually, as an aside, the one point that bothers me the most about NSAC rules is that they don't define KOs as a method of victory, only TKOs, yet their results pages lists fights ending in KOs. hateless 05:18, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

"MMA" need explanation
The article first uses the term "MMA" without having first explained it.

Women in the UFC?
The Reference desk/Miscellaneous has the following question and answers.

iam sure you have heard of the ulitimate fighting championships what i would like to know is are there any ulitimate fighting championships for women.

Looking over Ultimate Fighting Championship it appears there is not. You may ask this question on Talk:Ultimate Fighting Championship and see if you get a response. --Quasipalm 20:33, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

This site claims that REMIX Women's World Fighting Championship is equivalent. As yet, we do not have an article on that event. I will place a message on the talk page of the Ultimate Fighting Championships to check that it is. Capitalistroadster 02:47, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Are the claims of the promoters correct in that these championships are the equivalent? Are the REMIX Women's World Fighting Championships notable enough for an article and should they be added to the Requested Articles? Is there important additional information we can provide to answer the original question? I would be grateful if you could provide additional answers to the question on the Miscellanous Reference Desk page listed in the first paragraph. Capitalistroadster 02:54, 14 October 2005 (UTC)


 * As far as I'm aware, the closest that women currently have to the UFC is the Hook N Shoot organisation, which in 2002 staged Hook N Shoot - Revolution. This touted itself as the first sanctioned all-female MMA event, and was followed up with a second event in 2004, Hook N Shoot - Evolution, and more recently, the first ever 8 woman tournament, 2005 Women's Grand Prix. However, these are all predated by the aforementioned Remix World Cup, a Japanese event which was staged in 2000. I think I'm right in saying I'm the main wikipedian posting on women's MMA at the moment, but I have to admit I've not got hold of any of these events on DVD yet, so it would be useful if someone who had could write something up about them. Otherwise I probably will, but that would be relying on interviews and news reports rather than an 'eye witness' (or whatever you'd call someone who watched the DVD) account. At least until I get my hands on the DVDs.  Slideyfoot 09:05, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

No Mention of Male - Female

 * EDIT: This used to be it's own section, moved by Floodo1 (talk) 02:55, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

I can't see any mention of male, female, man, men, woman or women in the whole article I would guess UFC is male only but I haven't read it anywhere; I think this should be mentioned near the top of the article if it is or if it isn't. Remember to sign your posts.


 * Why? I would have to say if your done looking at the whole page and saw the names of the champions & the names of the people who fought in the UFC it should be painfully obvious that not one women's name was mentioned once! So like I said why should useless facts be added to this article? EHDI5YS 16:47, 26 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Put more plan and simple. No, no woman has fought in the UFC. 67.163.17.113 (talk) 18:15, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

History of the belts
I added the data for the history of the UFC belts. I will leave it up for more frequent wikipedia posters to clean it up and put it in better wikipedia format. --Whispering Death 20:15, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

George St.Pierre won belt november 19 even though the event was on the november 18. It happened after midnight.

10 point must system
Let me establish this since it looks like there's a brewing edit war over this point: Yes, 10-10 rounds are permissible under the 10-point must system. If I can quote NJ's Unified rules on MMA: 13:46-24A.13 Judging

(b) The 10-Point Must System will be the standard system of scoring a bout. Under the 10-Point Must Scoring System, 10 points must be awarded to the winner of the round and nine points or less must be awarded to the loser, except for a rare even round, which is scored (10-10). Also, you cannot explain a 29-29 scorecard for Bonnar vs Evans on the UFC Ultimate Fight Night 5 without there being a 10-10 round. hateless 23:17, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Weight in kilos?
wouldnt it be goog to have the weight catagories in kilos also? <-- UNSIGNED


 * That's what I figured, too, though I didn't read that section of the article. I put SI units in for the section where I actually wondered what the numbers meant.
 * You can Google for stuff like "6 feet 9 inches in cm" and put the answers in if you feel like it. I just do it whenever I've done the conversion anyway; without an official policy (unlikely with WP hosted in USA, I think), there is no point or mandate to go on a WP-wide changing spree ;)
 * Zuiram 22:26, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Attendance figures
it would be nice to mention how many people attended UFC Brazil and UFC david vs goliath on their articles, or atleast could you post it here?

UFC Outlawed in NY?
I recently read an article that was written in 1997 about a federal judge requiring fighters to wear protective headgear in NY. What's the background on that?? I read the article here. Kevin (TALK) 20:47, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The headgear rule was part of a set of rules imposed by the NY State Athletic Commission, and when SEG sued the state about it, the fed court sided with the state. I believe since, NY outlawed MMA (when SEG's lobbying efforts was exposed it became a major PR gaffe for politicians and they acted swiftly to reverse course), it's well detailed in Clyde Gentry's book. Right now, Marc Ratner is working to get NY to legalize MMA, from what I read before. hateless 05:04, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Octagon diameter
it says, "The cage is composed of an eight-sided structure, the walls consisting of metal chain-link fencing coated with black vinyl, with a diameter of 11.5 m (38 ft), allowing 9 m (30 ft) of space from point to point." but point to point would be the diameter wouldnt it? how can you have a diameter of 38, but point to point is only 30? one of those must be wrong.. and clearly they dont mean each of the 8 sides of the cage is 30 feet long, because there is no way that cage has a 240 feet permeter —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.224.82.181 (talk) 05:38, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The language used, "point to point", is verbatim from the source, a Boston Herald article. Diameter would be the longest possible length between one corner of the octagon and the other, point-to-point I've always assumed is the distance between two opposing sides of the octagon. hateless 05:48, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
 * There's no way that works. Each side of an octagon is $$-d*(1\pm\sqrt(2))$$.  east . 718  at 06:44, 10/21/2007

I just read NSAC regulations on "fenced areas", and it said the diameter limit is at 32 ft. Doing some quickie math using Adobe Flash, a octagon at 32 units diameter would have 29.5 units distance from side to side. 38 ft is a typo, it's probably actually 32 ft. Too bad the source page expired. hateless 08:45, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Weight Classes
Under "Weight divisions" it says "the UFC uses five weight classes" then it lists: That is nine weight divisioins. Then it says "the Bantamweight and Featherweight classes are used in another promotion..." which can eliminate two but still leave you with seven. Either more must be explained in this section or "five" is inaccurate. Feral Mind (talk) 09:26, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Flyweight
 * 2) Bantamweight
 * 3) Featherweight
 * 4) Lightweight
 * 5) Welterweight
 * 6) Middleweight
 * 7) Light Heavyweight
 * 8) Heavyweight
 * 9) Super Heavyweight
 * The UFC only uses:
 * Lightweight
 * Welterweight
 * Middleweight
 * Light Heavyweight
 * Heavyweight
 * I'll try & fix the article to reflect this --Nate1481(t/c) 10:17, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Is that clearer? It leaves the full range of potential classes but makes obvious which are current. --Nate1481(t/c) 10:30, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

I reverted the section to what it was earlier, not sure why there was a need to change it. Better to list out the actual used weight classes to highlight them and then note the rest in prose. hateless 10:38, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Just looked back in the history and an IP added the extra ones ones here with no explanation, the original version was better --Nate1481(t/c) 11:03, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Interim vs Regular Belt
What is the difference between the interim title and the other one? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.201.163.182 (talk) 05:10, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Interim titles are used when the championship fighter is unavailable to defend their belt for a period of time. For example, when Matt Serra injured his back and was unable to fight, UFC had an interim championship match between Matt Huges and St. Pierre.  Then they held a unification bout to have a single champion later on.  It's just a way of having championship matches occur, even if the champion is unable to fight for a while. --TreyGeek (talk) 14:38, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * To try and put it more clearly, whenever the current title holder is unable to defend his belt (almost always due to injury) there will be another bout scheduled wherein the fighters will fight for an "interim" belt. As soon as possible the holder of the actual belt will fight the holder of the interim belt to "unify" the title under the one regular belt. At this point the interim belt ceases to exist, and the winner takes home the regular belt. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Floodo1 (talk • contribs) 02:16, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Event types
What is the difference between UFC # and Fight Night #? I think this should be mentioned in either this page or more appropriately the page that lists all of the UFC events. Tony2Times (talk) 01:05, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Afaik UFC # are PPV-events while the Fight Nights are free on TV (Spike). -- Aktsu (talk) 06:02, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually ALL Fight nights are free on Spike TV. While UFC# are atleast partially on PPV as some UFC# has appeared freeon Spike in America while being on PPV in the rest of the worldSwampfire (talk) 23:38, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't understand the competition format!
I don't understand the competition format! It should be more clear. --212.247.27.160 (talk) 20:51, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

UFC intro song
I think its worth adding that the intro song for the ufc is Stemm - Face the pain Stemm. I'm not an experienced editor so anyone who feels like this is a good idea can find a spot to add it in.--Pearlsea (talk) 21:38, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Merge from Art Davie & Rorion Gracie - WOW Promotions
WOW Promotions is too insignificant to merit its own article, its entire history is connected with the UFC in some way. Better to just merge this section into the History section of the UFC article. hateless 18:22, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

While WOW Promotions did not have a business mission other than the UFC, it created the event and it had its own history, given the difficulty of establishing this type of event in 1993. User: Former UFC Commissioner 17:41, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
 * It should be merged into the UFC article since the content is currently small. If the article expands, it may merit it's own article. -- M a r c u s      04:05, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I didn't see where the Merge suggestion templates were ever added to these articles, so I went ahead and put them in. That flags them for discussion as a possible merge.  (If I missed these flags being in before, my appologies, but I didn't spot it in the history.)  Personally I agree that currently it looks like the article about WOW Productions seems very redundant with the UFC article, because the UFC is the only product that WOW ever produced.  If WOW had ever produced something other than the UFC, I'd be for having a seperate article, but as-is it looks like most of the information is already present or can be inserted into the main UFC article.  Just my opinion.  Dugwiki 20:39, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
 * FYI, although it's not mentioned in this discussion, it looks like Former UFC Commissioner removed the merge tags. I reread the Art Davie & Rorion Gracie - WOW Promotions article and it looks like the info there has been edited to just information about that company and doesn't look redundant now to the UFC article.  Therefore my vote is now with the Commish that a merger at this point isn't necessary since the articles cover slightly different topics (one a television production company, the other a fighting promotion.) Dugwiki 15:17, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

The "Dark Ages" of the UFC...
As a fan at the time, it was common knowledge that UFC's 23-29 were never released on home video in the US in any form. I don't know how we could get a reference to this, other than 1-22 and 30+ vhs tapes exist on ebay, and on certian web stores with "out of stock" under them (for example, ) but nothing for UFC 23-29.

Also, forums like Sherdog.com have posts about the UFC's unreleased events, such as: One poster even calls them the "dark ages" as well, tho I don't think that is a universal term... I will try to search for a Dana White interview or somthing that mentiones the non released events. Skeletor2112 04:37, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Some needs to explain what they mean by "Dark Ages". Is this a term used in the UFC circle?  If so then the audience who isn't familiar with UFC should have it explained.  mpa 16:30, June 28, 2007


 * I seem to recall that they were not reffered to as the "Dark ages", but rather the "Dark days" after UFC dissapeared from PPV and VHS. (The "dark ages" is waay to emo, I would have remembered that quite clearly)Thunderlippps 02:30, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

War of the Worlds promotion error
"In 2000, Davie proposed an eight-man, single-elimination tournament with a working title of War of the Worlds to Rorion Gracie and John Milius. The tournament would feature martial artists from different disciplines facing each other in no holds barred combat. Milius, a noted film director and screenwriter, as well as a Gracie student, agreed to be the event's creative director. Davie drafted the business plan and twenty-eight investors contributed the initial capital to start WOW Promotions with the intent to develop the tournament into a television franchise.[2]"

Clearly the year 2000 is false.

--69.175.88.28 08:45, 29 October 2006 (UTC) Looks like this has been corrected by someone in recent weeks. --69.175.88.28 08:45, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Discussion of article sections
PLEASE place discussions about particular article sections here Floodo1 (talk) 02:55, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Recent News and Events
This section just doesn't seem like a good idea to me. Ignoring the POV issues, it's like a whiteboard of a section, designed to be wiped clean each month, which doesn't seem suiting an encyclopedia entry. Info in this section seems too insignificant to be moved to a history section of the UFC, and it seems just too much of an advertisement for future UFC events. Information about each UFC event seems like it should belong on individual UFC event articles. I'm been tempted to just remove it and ask people to just create UFC 58 and UFC 59 articles instead, although I'll resist and ask for the opinion of the consensus. hateless 08:00, 2 March 2006 (UTC)


 * i strongly agree--the section will be unwieldy and it's already hard enough to keep POV and OR out of MMA pages, encouraging fans to post minutiae is hardly the way to go IMO. i approve of your uFC 57 article and concur that we should continue down that road. Burgher 09:13, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Agreed, this kind of thing belongs in news sites or blogs, not here. SubSeven 02:03, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Events
Trench 21:33, 10 January 2006 (UTC) --- Now the list of events is complete, it need it's own seperate page, like the List of UFC champions.


 * Then again, there is already a brief list of events on the List of UFC champions, so perhaps it could be merged with that? Slideyfoot 08:44, 11 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Trench 21:16, 15 January 2006 (UTC) --- I've only read your comment after relocating the page, whoops. But I think the two lists can be kept seperate, as the one on the UFC champions page only lists events that were held in the tournament format, it's just a list of tournament winners.

I've started an article for UFC 57, with the idea that others will start creating articles for other UFC events. If pro-wrestling events get their own articles, why not UFC events? If I can have fellow editors look at and edit the UFC 57 article, I'm hoping the effort gets underway. hateless 08:00, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm removing this section because it only consists of one link and will never consist of anything more. WP tend to link forks from the See Also section, which is where the link is now. hateless 22:34, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

"Notable" fighters
I don't see what the problem is. (I assume you are talking about the "notable UFC fighters" list). The fact that it's a 'notables' list makes it pretty much able to include anyone who has or will fight in a UFC. Malathion, what is exactly POV about the list? --Duffman 2 Jul 2005 2:53 AM (EST)
 * This list seems POV to me. Maybe we should just list the current champions? --Malathion 28 June 2005 04:57 (UTC)
 * I was considering that idea myself, but the problem is determining who's a current fighter when the roster is as big as it is. Also, many fighters fight in multiple events other than the UFC. So again, what is the cut off and who would be considered on that list? However, since the list mostly covers champions current and former and notable finalists (like Tank Abbott) I don't see too much of a problem with it as it stands.  --Kingmob 28 June 2005 17:02 (UTC)


 * I know there has been alot of changes to this section in the past and hate suggesting another, but wouldn't it make more sense to remove it and have a seperate list of competitors (including all competitors). The notable fighter section could start off the list. Currently this section mirrors in alot of ways the champions list and seems kind of redundant. I have a very similar list already prepared that includes weight classes and events each competitor has fought in, but would rather hear some opinions before I make this kind of change. Also of note is the potential for growth in this section with the current MMA boom. Having a seperate fighter list would both make it easier to manage and reduce the length of the ufc page. --Johnkinze (talk) 16:53, 10 January 2008 (UTC)


 * i agree with malathion. the list is kinda stupid. it should just be a list of current champions, otherwise it will eventually become WAY to long. just because a guy won his season of TUF, doesn't mean he will become a great fighter. and by the way duffman, if you fight in the UFC, then you DO NOT FIGHT ELSEWHERE. it's in every contract the UFC offers a fighter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wellcraft11 (talk • contribs) 17:23, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Evolution of the UFC rules
There are a few problems with this section. If I find a few good sources I'll probably make these changes myself, but I'm open to commentary before I do. --Johnkinze (talk) 17:30, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * 1. Some of the points have no relation to the rules, see the UFC64 entry. What should have been entered was when the lightweight class returned (UFC58). The details of the title's return have nothing to do with the rules.
 * 2. The title should most likely be "Evolution of the UFC rules and weight classes". While I agree that weight classes are part of the rules. I think this would better illustrate this section and give it the intended focus is has developed into.
 * 3. How do we fix the citations? Many of the rule changes come directly from event commentary. Can we cite that? Is there a way to site that? And would that be enough?
 * 4. "UFC 35 Lightweight Championship disbanned after the departure of champion Jens Pulver." Not actually! There was a later lightweight tournament that ended in a draw between Caol Uno and BJ Penn. It was not until after that event (UFC41) ended that the dicision was made to dispand the UFC's lieghtweight division. Again there seems to be some confusion weight class changes are valid in this section here not title changes.

History section suggestion
I have added the word, "purported", as there is significant question as to the validity of the notion of "best fighting style". Example: Pitting a professional boxer against any skilled jiu-jitsu practitioner is likely to result in a win for the jiu-jitsu practitioner, because almost all of the jiu-jitsu practitioner's arsenal is prohibited by the rules of boxing, and so the boxer will have had no reason to learn to respond to them effectively. That consumers uncritically accept the comparison of these sports as an apples-to-apples scenario does not make it so.Phaedral (talk) 03:02, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

The first sentence of the History section needs some help. In 1992, inspired by the Gracies in Action video series produced by the Gracies featuring various martial arts masters being defeated using Gracie Jiu-Jitsu, Davie proposed an eight-man, single-elimination tournament with a working title of War of the Worlds to Rorion Gracie and John Milius. Neither "the Gracies" nor "Davie" have been mentioned up to this point. It needs some explanation as to who these people are. -Freekee 16:33, 4 February 2007 (UTC)


 * An anonymous editor deleted the first paragraph of the section without a rationale. I've restored it and the section should make sense again. hateless 00:30, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Possible UFC fights section...?
--69.175.88.28 08:59, 29 October 2006 (UTC) I just wanted to ask what the source is for the Possible UFC Fights section. Are these fights like "fantasy fights" that people would really like to see, or is it supposed to be a listing of fights that have a decent chance of happening in the future?

I ask because if it's the latter, it's not completely accurate. Just off the top of my head from my daily reading of sites like MMAWeekly.com, Sherdog.com, and other dedicated MMA web sites, I can tell you that several of those fights are very unlikely to happen, so I'm wondering where the info came from.

Just going down the list...

Jens Pulver vs BJ Penn[2nd fight]: Could happen eventually, but there are no imminent plans for it right now, Penn is currently in the 170-pound weight class and has not fought in Pulver's weight class for a few years

Bas Rutten vs Kimo Leopoldo: Will never happen in the UFC, Zuffa said outright when Kimo failed a drug test for the second time (once in 2004, once in 2006) that they would never use him again to send a message to other alleged steroid users... as for Bas Rutten, he may or may not ever fight again after surgery to repair his torn ACL in mid-2006, and if he does, he is under contract for the WFA

Sean Sherk vs Jens Pulver[lightweight championship]: This likely would have happened if Pulver had won his UFC return bout as expected, but instead he got knocked out by Joe Lauzon, so now Pulver is a long way from getting a title shot and when/if he ever does, it would presumably be a long time from now and there's no telling if Sherk would still be the champ by then

David Abbott vs Ken Shamrock: Will never happen in the UFC, Shamrock officially retired from the Octagon on October 10th, and the UFC had already said prior to that point that they weren't going to be using Tank Abbott anymore since he lost three in a row a few years back

Chuck Liddell vs Wanderlei Silva[lightheavyweight championship]: Now this fight certainly COULD happen, but as of now both sides (Zuffa and DSE) will tell you that the fight is off because negotiations between the two sides completely broke down in August, still it's a fight that a lot of people want to see and it could very well still happen

Jon Fitch vs Diego Sanchez: This could happen at some point as they are both rising stars in the welterweight division, but there are no imminent plans for the fight to happen. In fact, Sanchez's next opponent is already set, and it's not Jon Fitch, his next opponent is Joe Riggs on December 13th.

Matt Hughes vs BJ Penn[3rd fight]: This could happen eventually, but that depends on a lot of "if"s. If Hughes remains the Welterweight Champion... if Hughes doesn't go up to 185 to fight Anderson Silva as he has talked about doing... if Penn wins several fights in a row to earn another Welterweight Title shot... there are a lot of "if"s, and as of now there are no imminent plans for Hughes-Penn III to happen anytime soon.

Tito Ortiz vs Quinton Jackson: Do you mean Chuck Liddell vs. Quinton Jacksons? Because if you meant Liddell vs. Jackson, that fight could potentially happen in 2007 after Quinton fulfills the remaining fights on his exclusive WFA contract, and if Chuck retains his title against Tito on December 30th. But Ortiz vs. Jackson is not a fight that has been talked about, proposed, or discussed, mainly because the two of them are very good friends and have said in the past that they would never fight each other.

Don Frye vs Dan Severn: Neither of these fighters has competed in the UFC in years and I have not heard or read anywhere in recent years suggesting that either of them might be on their way back to the UFC. Frye still fights periodically for Heroes in Japan while Severn recently had his MMA fighters license denied by the California commision. This would have been a great fight in the early UFC days, but there is almost zero chance of it ever happening at this point.--69.175.88.28 08:59, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The section has been cut and rightly so, as it has no place on Wikipedia. This isn't the Sherdog forum -- Crazyknight 14:35, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Attire
All competitors must fight in approved shorts, without shoes or any other sort of foot padding. Shirts, gis or long pants (including gi pants) are not allowed. I remember one particular fighter who was allowed shoes yet wasn't allowed to ever kick or have the match thrown. This probably should be noted and if they'll allow such a stipulation again (I'd say not given the nature of the event now). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Messatsu (talk • contribs) 08:26, 8 March 2007 (UTC).

Current champions
Recently, a user from 85.210.53.39 changed the dates under the "Since" column in the Current champions section. Reading directly from what is posted on the UFC Previous Title Holders Page, I would consider the edits to be incorrect. However, there are extenuating circumstances that make this issue not so clear with the case of Quinton Jackson, namely the unification of the title.

All things considered, I would go with the date listed on the UFC website for Quinton Jackson (May 26 2007), as it makes the most sense to me (Dan Henderson was the Pride champion, while Jackson was the UFC champion). However, I thought it would be prudent to get a few more opinions about this first, perhaps by others who follow this more closely. In the meantime, I will change the date listed for Couture back to the original date of March 3 2007, as it is listed on the UFC website. --WDavis1911 11:11, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

There are BOGUS entries of “Nolan Cook” into “Current champions” & "UFC Hall of Fame inductees” sections. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Siliconminer (talk • contribs) 23:36, 16 May 2008 (UTC)


 * This will happen due to the open nature of Wikipedia for making edits. Feel free to remove the offending information in the future should you see it occur.  TreyGeek (talk) 23:43, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Friends Reference?
There was a whole period in series 3 where Monica in Friends was dating a millionaire called Pete Becker, and there was a storyline based around the fact that he wanted to become Ultimate Fighting Champion.

Should this be mentioned? As a pop culture reference to the Ultimate Fighting Championship? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.210.53.39 (talk) 21:39, 10 March 2007 (UTC).

possibly list martial art?
Maybe list the fighting style of winners?

--Heero Kirashami (talk) 02:40, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Maybe there needs to be a mention of "Technical Submission" in the stoppages explanation. A tech Submission fulfills the rules of a TKO, but still counts as a submission victory/loss for the engaged fighters. For example, Frank Mir breaks Tim Sylvia's arm in UFC 48, but Sylvia did not tap or verbally submit. The fight was stopped by the referee, but it is counted as a submission on the fighters records.

--Anon$ 74.14.94.198 (talk) 04:25, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Technical submissions do not exist in the rules the UFC uses, it's the commission that decides what the method of victory was, and technical submissions are technically TKOs in the Unified Rules. And BTW, Mir/Sylvia was ruled a TKO, not a submission.. hateless 15:32, 12 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I don;t think that the fighting style matters anymore- MMA has evolved so much since the early days - Pat Smith was listed as Kickboxer in UFC 1&2 yet used submission-style to make it to the finals in UFC 2 for a blantant example. --David.snipes (talk) 17:55, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

UFC Main Events Are Somehow Scripted
This sounds like a crazy theory but there is some evidence. If you look at the UFC event posters such as UFC 100, UFC 99, and UFC 98. The figthers to the left of their opponent are the victor in their fights. Dont believe me? Look at those event posters. This of course does not work for every event poster but from UFC 100 - UFC 70 (I was too lazy to go farther) there are only 3 events where it does not happen. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.234.9.200 (talk) 17:05, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * So you basically find it surprising they put the better (thus often the better known) fighter first, and that the better fighter wins most of the time? --aktsu (t / c) 17:28, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Ultimate Fighter Winners are not "Accomplished"
I have a problem with Ultimate Fighter winners being listed alongside actual champions in the 'Accomplished Fighters' section. Ultimate Fighter winners are not on the same level as champions. It takes them years before the best ones are even contenders (see: Kenny Florian, Diego Sanchez) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.6.248.176 (talk) 14:40, 19 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree, they won a “tournament” but I don’t think they should be there with the others --Vik.sanchez (talk) 14:08, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

I think this is a valid debate. Winning an Ultimate Fighter shouldn't be put on the same level as a championship, but nothing in the article says it is either. It is an accomplishment, but if you look at most winners of UF, thats all they have. Some even have disappeared from the radar. That being said, they were on a popular fighting tv show, won several fights, and beat out a dozen other people. Is that in itself worthy of being acknowledged as an 'accomplished fighter'? Maybe not. Ratataz (talk) 04:16, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Grammar in article
Can someone review the grammar in the article? If it is OK, then add a yes in the Nevada assessment for the article. Thanks. Vegaswikian (talk) 07:08, 18 November 2009 (UTC) Done and done. Read through the whole thing critically, and it flows. Brainchasm (talk) 20:32, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Call for Semi-Protection?
With the recent and consistent spate of vandalisms on this article, can we consider getting it semi-protected? Specifically looking for weighing in by TreyGeek and/or other good-faith editors of Ultimate Fighting Championship. Thanks. Brainchasm (talk) 02:16, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Page protection would get applied if there is a lot of vandalism, multiple instances a day, particularly over a period of several days in a row. We're not seeing that on the article right now.  Best we can do is revert the bad edits and apply warnings to the people making them.  --TreyGeek (talk) 03:02, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

DVD releases
Theres nothing in the article about how UFC is released onto dvd or home video. I added a section which i hope someone can maybe clean up or clarify. I think its fairly important since dvd is such a popular medium, besides the pay per views. Portillo (talk) 10:46, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Accomplished Fighters
Joe Stevenson is listed, but not as a fomer Champion. he was lightweight champion, but lost the belt to BJ Penn at UFC 80. I'm just gonna add it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by John Holmes II (talk • contribs) 20:34, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * He was never the champion. That fight was for the belt, but he did not hold it prior to that fight. The UFC created a new title, as explained in Sherks wiki. "Following the CSAC's decision to uphold the results of the positive steroid test, the UFC officially stripped Sherk of his Lightweight Championship. At UFC 80, B.J. Penn defeated Joe Stevenson to win the vacant title." (pinchet (talk) 13:04, 24 December 2009 (UTC))

Peer Review
It's been a long time, almost 3 years, since this article was peer reviewed. I think it's close to good article status, and should have another go at it. If no one objects, I'll put the request for Peer Review tag on the page. 68.82.197.202 (talk) 22:41, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Random Records
When it comes to the UFC, it is such a new sport that there is not really that much history on the sport, but there is enough to entice and draw people to it. And what is more exciting to see than someone making history.

Todd Duffee – Fastest knockout (7 seconds) VS. Hague http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/08/29/gone-in-7-seconds-todd-duffee-records-fastest-knockout-in-ufc-history/

Wanderlei Silva – Most TKO’s (23/ 69.7%) 33-10-1 (Win - Loss - Draw) http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/

Anderson “The Spider” Silva -The Current Longest Winning Streak (10 wins) http://www.fightofthenight.com/featured/the-current-longest-winning-streaks-in-the-ufc/

Royce Gracie – Most submission victories (11) http://www.themmaboards.com/showthread.php?t=10957

Matt Hughes/Chuck Liddell - Most wins by a fighter (16) http://community.ufc.com/blog/member/boxbrown/all/25_stats__alot_u_may_not_know

If people are tuned in and excited abut the history in the making, then the marketing will definitely rise.

UFC Breaks All-Time PPV Record for Second-Straight Month

UFC 2009:Undisputed record setting sales. http://www.next-gen.biz/news/ufc-2009-drives-record-thq-financials

UFC 105 breaks European attendance record http://mmajunkie.com/news/16858/ufc-105-breaks-european-attendance-record-in-front-of-educated-u-k-crowd.mma

GSP vs. Hardy gains highest rating on spike TV. http://www.ifight365.com/2010/03/ufc-primetime-st-pierre-vs-hardy-draws-record-one-million-viewers/

--$Cʘʘℙ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scooppj (talk • contribs) 08:14, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Too many pictures
I'm thinking this page has too many pictures for a wiki page. It's starting to look like a comic book. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.46.70.156 (talk) 17:19, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

"Let's Get It On!" not John Mc Carty's
Mills Lane started saying this first so technically Big John can't be credited with this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.46.70.156 (talk) 17:15, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

All fighters
Does anybody know a link to a list of all of the fighters current employed by the UFC? The WWE articles have infoboxes just for the "fighters" current employed by the company, but I think that just a link would be great in this article. So if anybody knows, please tell me. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.48.236.28 (talk) 03:05, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

To-do list
1. Organize notable fighters, either alphabetically or chronologically (date of first title)

2. Add to rule timeline: prohibition on 12-6 point down elbow strikes

3. New section on the business/operations aspects of the ufc, i.e. Location of main offices, employees, gross revenue

4. Possibly include a list of countries that have hosted ufc events

5. Get a new peer review

6. Try to get good article status

Add to this list, or cross of things if finished 68.171.235.119 (talk) 17:23, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Un-notable lead
The first paragraph was about Dana White, etc. a person not familiar with UFC would not care. As per WP:MOSBEGIN, "The article should begin with a declarative sentence, answering two questions for the nonspecialist reader: 'What (or who) is the subject?' and 'Why is this subject notable?'" I've added what the UFC is and why it's notable --Hutcher (talk) 01:50, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Obvious vandalism/defacement
The first two sections are full of references to porn and "big penis" videos.

Please fix.


 * Fixed. Thanks for pointing that out. BrendanFrye (talk) 17:53, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Anyone Else's Cable Company Carry EVERY PPV UFC Event?
Here in Wisconsin despite the main article's claim that PPV events were only carried on DirectTV after John McCain's campaign to ban Ultimate fights, US Cable offered every fight, without a miss. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.17.214.172 (talk) 06:14, 7 June 2010 (UTC) Well US Cable really isn't a noteworthy cable provider. I'm sure there were other Television providers that kept it but the only major provider was Directv. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Serialjoepsycho (talk • contribs) 06:37, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Roku channel
A UFC channel has been added to the Roku Digital Video Player. It provides you all live Pay per view events, old fights dating back to the beginning, training and countdown videos, and a few other things. The roku box is a set top box that you can get for under 100 dollars. I reckon check it out. Serialjoepsycho (talk) 05:34, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Availability of PPV in Canada
"As of 2010[update] viewers can access UFC programming on pay-per-view television in the U.S., Australia, New Zealand and Italy." It is available in Canada too. I can't add this as the page is locked. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.209.209.129 (talk) 00:38, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Accomplished Fighters section
since when does being a pride champion mean you've "won a UFC tournament, UFC title, or a TUF tournament"? Pride FC accomplishments do not belong here 207.246.169.110 (talk) 18:05, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

McCain bribe
I know McCain is the big boogey man for all you UFC lovers, but the sentence that he took bribes is sourced to a blog, not a credible source. This should be removed until a credible source can be found. 24.1.127.59 (talk) 17:44, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Is this page for the attention defecit?
Less pictures please —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.94.151.68 (talk) 14:28, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

UFC Fighters

Over the UFC’s years there have been many memorable fighters. The first legend was Royce Gracie who dominated opponents with his jiu jistu and fast hands. Next came Randy “the natural” Couture who still fights today and is known for wearing out opponents and finishing them in the later rounds. Another fighter right after that was Matt Hughes, who seemed to be unstoppable ripping through opponent with his ground game and boxing. One of the most well known fighters ever is Chuck “iceman” Liddell who lived up to his name by knocking out anyone who got in his way. Tito Ortiz was also in the same weight class as liddell and had just about as much success. Nowadays one of the favourite fighters is George St. Pierre who now holds Hughes’ belt and looks as unstoppable as he did. Widely considered to be the best fighter in the world Anderson Silva is the middleweight king and is currently ripping through opponents with no end in sight. The light heavy weight king is Mauricio Rua who is known for brutal leg kicks and knockout power. The new heavy weight champ is Cain Velasquez as he took out Brock Lesnar who was widely considered to be unstoppable. The UFC is growing in popularity and fighters are known all over the world. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Evanhein (talk • contribs) 16:58, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 75.109.83.60, 20 October 2010
The author of the rules section is wrong

The rules for Mixed Martial Arts that became the what is now popularly known as the Unified Rules were first created and approved by the California Athletic Commission. Prior to their adaptation by the New Jersey Athletic Control Board, discussions were held between Robert Lynch of the California Athletic Commission, Marc Ratner who was then with the Nevada Athletic Commission, and Larry Hazzard of the New Jersey Athletic Control Board. Modifications to the rules as adapted by California were made and this new set of rules were then adopted by New Jersey. The first event under these rules was in New Jersey but was not a UFC event and occured before the UFC was under its current ownership.

UFC Fighters

Over the UFC’s years there have been many memorable fighters. The first legend was Royce Gracie who dominated opponents with his jiu jistu and fast hands. Next came Randy “the natural” Couture who still fights today and is known for wearing out opponents and finishing them in the later rounds. Another fighter right after that was Matt Hughes, who seemed to be unstoppable ripping through opponent with his ground game and boxing. One of the most well known fighters ever is Chuck “iceman” Liddell who lived up to his name by knocking out anyone who got in his way. Tito Ortiz was also in the same weight class as liddell and had just about as much success. Nowadays one of the favourite fighters is George St. Pierre who now holds Hughes’ belt and looks as unstoppable as he did. Widely considered to be the best fighter in the world Anderson Silva is the middleweight king and is currently ripping through opponents with no end in sight. The light heavy weight king is Mauricio Rua who is known for brutal leg kicks and knockout power. The new heavy weight champ is Cain Velasquez as he took out Brock Lesnar who was widely considered to be unstoppable. The UFC is growing in popularity and fighters are known all over the world. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Evanhein (talk • contribs) 16:51, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

75.109.83.60 (talk) 04:32, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Thanks, Stickee (talk)  06:38, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism
Just want to know why my edit was changed back. All I did was to remove some images that were useless to the topic in question (McCain??) and add a little info on the fighters instead of just saying their names. It was not vandalism. This article has too many unnecessary images. Rampage's pride highlight on UFC's page?? Please explain to me.


 * Well Sumardey, it was vandalism because you altered the foreign wiki links to gibberish.  Paralympiakos  (talk) 23:12, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * But what if I just removed the images it would be ok? Because, seriously, this page looks like shit. There are so many images that they interfere on the article itself, leaving those big white holes.Senseicional (talk) 23:17, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * No Sumardey. Besides, it must be your browser, there are no white spaces for me. Do not swear. <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #73C2FB"> Paralympiakos </SPAN> (talk) 01:09, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I've read the last section of your talk page (where a dude arguments with you about this same topic) and it is clear you enjoy the article very much, but I (and that guy on your talk page) think it is a mess, and I think my opinion has some merit. I see argumentating with you will lead me nowhere, so I ask you if there's somebody else I can talk to about this. Please reply!! I'm just trying to improve the article :) (the white spaces I talked about appear between Dana White and GSP pics and between Big John and Arianny pics. I checked on a PC on my job this morning and it's the same thing at home)Senseicional (talk) 20:56, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * That's because it's you, Sumardey! Quit this facade. <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #73C2FB"> Paralympiakos </SPAN> (talk) 21:07, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't be ridiculous! That was not me. Besides, have good faith, man. I had not offended you on any instance, you are the one offending me and there are consequences for that. It seems you think you're the "owner" of this page and you're acting like a kid anytime someone do something you don't like, so maybe I should call an administrator to help, like if both of us were stupid kids. Or you could just answer my question, please? Senseicional (talk) 22:30, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I've just viewed this article in both Chrome and FF on my Windows based PC. I do not see any white spaces that you are referring to.  --TreyGeek (talk) 23:34, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I use Windows too, and I see empty spaces between one paragraph and another because Dana pic is on top of GSP. But anyway, I still think there are too many unnecessary pics, not too many. It would be better to replace some pics. McCain and Shonie Carter should not be in the "main" page. By reading the article you surely understand McCain opposed to it in the past and now changed his views. Done. And Carter was just a normal fighter that accomplished nothing on the organization. I edited the page once and placed that pic of BJ facing Matt Hughes, both UFC legends, but the Britsh moderator told me it was vandalism and I understand him; I should have posted a message here first before changing anything, sorry. That's why I'm not editing nothing on this page for now, not even replacing "José Aldo" for "Jose Aldo" (cause the Britsh guy seems to do not like me very much and may see that as vandalism... :)

Current Belt Design


The english wikipedia-entry shows the old version with weightclasses on it. Newly ones have no specific weightclasses on the belt. All got the same belt. Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_LtojL2h_4

Maybe you can exchange the pic by this pic above, or another newly one? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xgrandyx (talk • contribs) 21:45, 7 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Updating the image of the belt to the one with the current design is a good idea. But I think this image is a bit too busy. The background is too busy, especially those red bits, and it steal focus from the belt itself. --Tuoppi gm (talk) 02:03, 28 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Okay, I made a new pic with a nearly perfect background I guess. [[Image:STA76725.jpg|thumb|right|400px]]


 * What do you think guys?(Xgrandyx (talk) 10:30, 5 January 2011 (UTC))


 * I like this picture. --Tuoppi gm (talk) 15:26, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Accomplished fighters
Randy Couture and B.J. Penn are the only fighters to have won UFC Championships in different weight classes

What about Vitor Belfort? he won in Light Heavyweights and Middleweights...


 * Wrong. Belfort won a Heavyweight TOURNAMENT back at UFC 12, which isn't classed as a championship. Therefore, Couture (3x Heavyweight Champion, 2x Light Heavyweight Champion) and Penn (1x Welterweight, 1x Lightweight) are the only fighters to win championships in two weight classes.--GavinBrash (talk) 09:18, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

About event cards
Do you think a template could be used on event card pages to detail bouts? The way it is now is prone to vandalism/incorrect fight listings & results and a template may be easier to work with. Teamsleep (talk) 22:46, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Pankration
There seems to be a biased pro-Pankration agenda on these pages. Greek Pankration was not the root of all fighting systems. www.pankration.gr is biased. Almost every culture has its own wrestling / grappling traditions, the rest of the world was not ignorant of wrestling and warfare before Alexander of Macedon. There are folk wrestling styles native to every continent of the planet except Antarctica:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folk_wrestling http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lutte_Traditionnelle etc.

In fact, wrestling is older than the human species. Many kinds of animals wrestle with intuitive technique:

Gorillas http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD0ML8WPGYs

Bears http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JA-hfXMafFQ

Frog vs. snake http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncit2tXkbWc

Wrestling is a natural development of combat between vertebrate animals. It is insulting to see nonsensical propaganda that the Greeks taught all other people how to fight with swords and wrestle thanks to Alexander of Macedon's invasions. The idea that they were responsible for Chinese Shuaijiao, Japanese Jujutsu, Oceanic wrestling, etc. is ludicrous. No group of humans, not Greek, Brazilian, Japanese, nor otherwise, had any historical monopoly on systematic combat and warfare. Stop the biased and ridiculous propaganda. C0ntribut0r (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:23, 30 December 2011 (UTC).

Pressure point strikes
In the rules section, it is stated that pressure point strikes were banned from UFC 15 and onwards, but there are no sources confirming this. I think it should be removed, and removed from the UFC 15 article as well, unless there is some proof that "pressure point strikes" are actually illegal, as opposed to not really working.

129.241.128.157 (talk) 15:10, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

UFC purchase
In the section titled "The Zuffa era - early 2000s", there is either a mistake or I just don't understand what is written. In one sentence, it says the Fertittas bought the UFC for 5 dollars. In the very next sentence there is a quote from Lorenzo Fertitta where he mentions he was paying $2 million. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.246.18.139 (talk) 21:53, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
 * You're right. It cannot possibly be $5, and if you can find a source that proves how much it cost Fertittas, go ahead and put it instead of what we have. Thanks for pointing it out. I give you the honors to change it. ComputerJA (talk) 03:18, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

UFC needs a controversies section
UFC =/= MMA.

There are notable gaps between MMA as sport and UFC as a promotion.

zero rankings, extremely centralised match making and relegation, counter intuitive title fights, external pressures on how ppl should "perform"...

UFC is not a sport in the sense boxing is, or any major ball game. MMA = fighting as sport, UFC = MMA as a competitive version of professional wrestling. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.169.228.172 (talk) 12:50, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Reliable sources would be needed to add any of these criticisms.--70.49.81.44 (talk) 03:51, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree, the UFC is not a sport. That's like a football player saying "I play NFL." Or a baseball player saying "I play MLB." It's a common misconception. Just wanted to clear that up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SChaos1701 (talk • contribs) 23:23, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Fouls
This is not part of Nevada code http://www.leg.state.nv.us/NAC/NAC-467.html#NAC467Sec7962 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.41.82.99 (talk) 22:39, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ultimate_Fighting_Championship&diff=523585233&oldid=523471468

Wasn't there also a period in which striking with the point of the elbow was illegal? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.184.228.113 (talk) 03:42, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

the most watched combat sports event ?
The telecast peaked with 8.8 million viewers tuning into the fight with an average audience of 5.7 million, making it by far the most watched MMA event of all-time and the most watched combat sports event since 2003's HBO bout between Lennox Lewis and Vitaly Klitschko

that's probably false because olympic finals in judo draws way more viewers than 5.7 millions. (during the 2012 olympics, the men's heavyweight final had 5.8 millions viewers in France and I suppose many other millions worldwild) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E35:2EBE:1930:38F4:32BD:FC0E:F58F (talk) 11:06, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Article style
Although informative, there is some inconsistency with the style of the article.

The article starts off with a commercial focus that can be likened to a sales pitch and even though it is about a company, there is little talk about money or economic impact.

Inconsistency arises when the article takes a distinct turn away from the company itself and starts talking about the events and the sport. Any indepth look at either of these should probably be on another page. 84.251.79.145 (talk) 14:45, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

UFC is not a sporting org.
It tells the performers how to perform, fires them at will, and has engineered a false competition based on performers acting in the commercial interests of the org, rather than the competitive interests of the rule set.

Its simply not a sporting organisation. Its a performance art, with false panels and an invisible rule set, trading on the pretence of fair sport, in order to justify the spectacle.

No other sport has one org, that owns both the sporting body and the promotional side of things, and tells the competitors how to compete extraneous to rules or rights of fair and free competition. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.101.41.108 (talk) 16:51, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

History section & evolution of MMA
I am the author of edit http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ultimate_Fighting_Championship&diff=603795910&oldid=603349635. When I made this edit I did not think it would last this long without further refinement. The issues I see are that the sentence duplicates some info that is elsewhere in the article, the disciplines could be associated with their practitioners (I was probably thinking of Gracie, Severn, Severn or Coleman for G&P, Ruas, Frye, & Coture respectively), and pure boxing has never been that successful in MMA. Of course I like my own writing, so have been hesitant to tear into other's work to satisfy my bias. Perhaps someone (unpartial?) would like to tear into this as part of a general article cleanup. Perhaps the article could also be broken up into subarticles (Main article: UFC History...) 173.19.233.252 (talk) 19:47, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Definition of Grounded
When an opponent is grounded does that imply when his hand touches the ground the opponent counts as grounded? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amato621 (talk • contribs) 14:44, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

UFC Records
One catagory missing is Most Fight of the Night Awards, which is held by both Frankie Edgar, and Diego Sanchez at 7. 199.126.230.181 (talk) 03:26, 6 June 2015 (UTC)


 * For most Decisions, is that wins or just Decisions in total, because Jon Fitch has 13. 108.181.32.100 (talk) 05:08, 22 July 2015 (UTC)


 * To add to that Gleison Tibau has 16 total UFC Decisions. 108.181.32.100 (talk) 03:14, 26 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Chuck Liddell is tied with Anderson Silva for most TKO\KO's. 108.181.32.100 (talk) 04:56, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Correction Chuck only has 10108.181.32.100 (talk) 06:24, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

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Drugs
Hello, the article barely mentions that there are prohibited substances. It doesn't mention the numerous cases of failed drug tests, both performance enhancing and recreational, and especially of championship fighters. It doesn't mention the drug test policies, for example the partnership with USADA since 2015. Please expand the article, it's very relevant. --167.57.180.124 (talk) 05:03, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

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Cormier/Jones result
I have put DC back as champion, but as it currently stands (a no contest) does he fight against Jones count as a defence? Has he defended the title two or three times? Spacecowboy420 (talk) 07:08, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Hall of fame unnecessary?
It looks like the hall of fame section was started before there was a separate page dedicated to it. There doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to the fighters listed on this page. It's mostly Pioneer Wing, but there's a few others sprinkled in. It seems unnecessary at this point. I suppose it could be just pioneers or (probably more appropriate) just remove the entire list and have that section simply include the link to the UFC Hall of Fame page. Any objection? --Wikisian (talk) 11:51, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

Re-writing the section on international events
The section covering international events is a mess. It’s unreadable and doesn’t mention some countries where UFC events were held (e.g., Russia). I think it would be better to present the information in a table format, like this: DATE | COUNTRY | CITY,VENUE | INFORMATION. Thoughts? 46.242.13.150 (talk) 10:45, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Dead Link
The archived source needs replacement en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_Fighting_Championship#cite_note-Stefano-9 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ineverbackdown (talk • contribs) 23:38, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 June 2019
Change pound-for-pound ranking #4 from Max Holloway to Henry Cejudo.

And change pound-for-pound ranking #5 from Henry Cejudo to Max Holloway PhilipFranklin (talk) 16:51, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done <b style="color:black">Nici</b><b style="color:purple">Vampire</b><b style="color:black">Heart</b> 21:42, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

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Merging UFC shows to the Television section as opposed to separate article spaces.
It has been requested by many various Wikipedia editors that all UFC Television programming should be merged to the Ultimate Fighting Championship article on the UFC Now draft (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:UFC_Now). There are separate article spaces for Fox UFC, UFC All Access, UFC Connected, UFC Primetime, UFC Tonight, UFC Ultimate Insider, UFC Unleashed which has been inundated by ALL the editors who denied UFC Now as a separate article. Per their request I have now merged (and cut down) the UFC Now info which needs to happen with the linked articles above that no longer need a separate article space. If we can work on this as a collaborative effort to merge those pages then not only will this make a great place to be but it's also respect to all those who have worked hard putting in hours to put those separate articles together. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia then it's vital to the reader to have the info on these shows as opposed to them just being named so please kindly respect that, the articles and all those who have worked hard on those articles which has been heavily requested to be merged to the Ultimate Fighting Championship page while we work on this. Thank you. Music Editor 2017 (talk) 16:01, 11 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Edit: I've merged UFC Connected, UFC Tonight and UFC Unleashed as requested. I've put a small note on the page as I'm not sure if the others should keep their article space (specially The Ultimate Fighter which is extensive) so if you guys can be so kind to check this and feel free to remove the small note if you feel they are fine. You can also request UFC Connected, UFC Tonight and UFC Unleashed for deletion now they have been merged if you feel fit. I've worked hard on this and I feel it looks nice as per request of various Wikipedia mods I have acquired to this so hope this is ok. Thanks for kindly reading and helping make Wikipedia a much better place. Music Editor 2017 (talk) 16:37, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Section 8 UFC Hall of Fame
I believe GSP needs to be added to the Modern Era HoF. ref https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_Hall_of_Fame#Modern-era_wing SquashEngineer (talk) 17:20, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Too large
This article is way too large - over two times too large. See WP:SIZESPLIT. It should be trimmed, or split. --2603:7000:2143:8500:589D:21E0:7739:C0D2 (talk) 07:00, 7 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Should at least build the pages about History of UFC and Rules of UFC since those referrals were a little too much to be described. VernardoLau (talk) 07:59, 7 June 2022 (UTC)



The articles of other major sports governing bodies like the NFL, NHL, NBA, MLB etc. all seem to be somewhere between 100 - 150 kB in length. This article is 261 kB, but the history section alone makes up over 100 kB of that. That's enough material for a separate article, and splitting off this section from the article would bring down its size to an acceptable number. So that would be the best solution in my opinion. Diana056 (talk) 18:55, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

I agree the History section should probably be moved to its own page, with a less detailed summary replacing it here Nswix (talk) 22:34, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

*Comment: There are a lot of unsourced content (not adhere to Wikipedia core policy WP:V and WP:PROVEIT and not relevant content (such as next fight info on ranking section) should be removed first prior a split should be discussed.<b style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:105%;color:#FF8000"> Cassiopeia</b>  talk

I aggree with Diana056 and Nswix the article in relation to other professional pages would be more user friendly and easier to navigate if the History section was moved into a new page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SobaSkillet (talk • contribs) 15:52, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

Where should Leon Edwards place on the pound-for-pound rankings list?
Now that he has defeated Kamaru Usman? 173.68.22.80 (talk) 09:38, 21 August 2022 (UTC)


 * This is a UFC decision more than a Wikipedia choice 109.231.194.26 (talk) 02:44, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Mention of trading cards
The action figure line is mentioned in the article, so why aren't the trading cards? From what I've read, they're selling a lot better (have you seen the prices on Amazon?). JY23

List of accomplished fighters
It's come to my attention that former Ultimate Fighter winners who have sinced switched weight classes, the original they no longer compete in, are still listed in their original class. Fighters such as Michael Bisping (Light Heavyweight>Middleweight), Joe Stevenson (Welterweight>Lightweight, soon to be Featherweight) and Nate Diaz (Lightweight>Welterweight) should be accurately reflected in their proper class. GavinBrash (talk) April 5, 2011, 11.54 (UTC)

Match Outcome
I noticed the Match Outcome section had no elaboration on technical decision, technical draw, forfeit, disqualification, or no contest (it simply said a fight can end by these methods.) Seeing that these have occurred in the UFC or WEC and are likely to occur in the future, I gave each its own bullet point and described each as best I could; I'm knowledgeable about the sport and elaborated on each solely based on this and situations that have occurred in past UFC or WEC fights, but couldn't find any seemingly reliable sources to back up my elaborations.