Talk:Ultrakill

Music references in ULTRAKILL
This game contains many references to popular music, including a level entitled "Court of the Corpse King", referencing In the Court of the Crimson King, two levels based on The Burning World (album) ("The Burning World" and "God Damn the Sun"), A level entitled "Clair De Lune" (Backed by the track Clair de lune (Debussy) of the same name) and many others. I'd say this is notable enough in the game to justify some amount of mention Emirps (talk) 17:02, 21 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Agree. Almost everything in this game is a reference to something (usually music or gaming). It deserves at least a mention, even if an actual list would be out of this wiki's scope. cogsan (talk) 15:53, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Should this page go into more detail about the gameplay?
There's a lot of Cool Stuff that can be performed in this game - coin-adding, slam storage, projectile boosts, and way more. Even the most simple mechanics have enough importance to be shown on this page. Thoughts? MRuuby (talk) 16:20, 5 October 2022 (UTC)


 * While we could always go into more detail, sometimes the most encyclopedic thing to do is just say. "Ultrakill is known for providing players with extensive mobility and combat related mechanics such as [short list of mechanics]." 192.77.12.11 (talk) 10:55, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

I think a good enough way to put it would be having a short paragraph providing examples of techs that were completely intentional (like rocket riding and the funny coin), and then another one for things that would be counted as glitches, but the devs adopted as features because they were Cool and Neat (like projectile boosting and slam storage).

Separating them into combat and movement instead could also work, but that might be a little harder to get right. Would also need some sources for what exactly the intention behind the techs is, like Hakita's statements. cogsan (talk) 15:33, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

Mod support?
This game has got a a famous mod which has been in part developed by one of its developer and has been featured in journalism. Considering the atypical point of that mod, and its various coverage and fame and also the fact it has had the developers of the game involved in its making in cooperation with the developer of buttplug.io. Maybe it is relevant enough to mention it? https://www.pcgamer.com/retro-shooter-ultrakill-now-has-official-sex-toy-support/ https://www.pride.com/geek/ultrakill https://www.kotaku.com.au/2022/12/ultrakill-has-buttplug-support-now-if-thats-of-any-interest-to-you/

From my own research on that mod, which I've learned from reading statements from the buttplug.io developer. This mod is technically simply adding a controller rumble support and therefore is perfectly suited to more typical uses. Mademoiselle Extravagante (talk) 22:21, 26 February 2023 (UTC)


 * of course it's the sex update
 * It's neat and all that the game has mod support, but I'd actually rather wait until some other mods (like fanmade levels, weapons, and KITR) are ready and get coverage (which I really think they will, considering how public some of them are), so the mod support section can mention more than one of them.
 * But then again, just one of the official ones could work as an example. cogsan (talk) 11:38, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

The Gameplay section is gratuitously detailed.
Wikipedia is not a game guide. The Gameplay section should contain only essential information. I understand that this game has a lot of very interesting mechanics, and I understand the temptation to try to include as much as possible, but I think a rewrite of the Gameplay section is required to match Wikipedia's standard of quality. If needed, I can help in this regard, as I'm an experienced ULTRAKILL player (being in the top 25 players in The Cyber Grind on Violent difficulty for a period of time before mostly moving on from playing the game). I am also experienced in video game analysis as I am a game developer.

In addition, mention of the game's heavy inspiration from "Stylish Action" games like Devil May Cry is missing from the introduction. Since these elements are very important to the gameplay, and arguably more influential than classic FPS games according to Hakita's own statements, I think it warrants inclusion. Unfortunately, there isn't a broadly used genre title for games in the vein of Devil May Cry, Bayonetta, Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance, etc. beyond "hack and slash" so the genre list can't be updated to appropriately reflect the game's actual influences, but mentioning them in the introduction would be nice.

Also, most video game articles don't mention mod support unless, and ULTRAKILL is only about as moddable as any other Unity game. I get that the butt plug thing is funny, but I question its actual value in this article. More than willing to hear alternative opinions on this subject though. Corviraptor (talk) 20:12, 6 April 2023 (UTC)


 * In fairness, Ultrakill's mod support was covered in several outlets. Mod support isn't typically mentioned in Wikipedia articles unless something about it is notable, mod support simply existing isn't enough to warrant inclusion. I think that threshold is met in this instance, but I also feel like there isn't a "good" place to include that bit in the current article (it would fit under Development, but the article doesn't currently have a section for that).
 * That being said, you should just start editing, if you're up for that! You don't have to ask for permission :p ReneeWrites (talk) 08:37, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

How about we make this article more serious?
Yes, shit's funny, but Wikipedia is not for jokes, as much as I hate to say it. We do not need "...but can also be read as "The Prostate of Hate")" and "King Minos also spent his entire city budget on bisexual lighting. Big mistake.". We shouldn't mention the fact this game has buttplug support either... "On December 8, 2022, Ultrakill added official sex toy support. Its developer released an official mod called UKbutt, adding support for a plugin called buttplug.io. The mod was created by Ultrakill programmer PITR and buttplug.io lead Kyle "qDot" Machulis. New Blood CEO Dave Oshry remarked that "at no point when originally testing or discussing the game with Hakita or anyone at [New Blood] were any of us like 'they're gonna want sex.'" The update, dubbed the "sex update", was met with a new wave of positive reviews." 181.188.59.137 (talk) 14:26, 18 June 2023 (UTC)


 * everything besides the sex update part was vandalism
 * as is, it's serious enough cogsan  •  (give me attention)  •  (see my deeds)  11:45, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Early Access
Ultrakill is still an early access game on Steam - should this be included in the first section? It seems notable. SpaceCowboy444 (talk) 18:32, 27 September 2023 (UTC)


 * saying that "it was released through early access" without "and then fully released in insert date here" after it seems to do the job just fine cogsan  •  (give me attention)  •  (see my deeds)  19:22, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Wow, I actually completely missed that. My mistake. If you're not opposed, I'm going to delete this topic, since it doesn't actually contribute anything to the discussion at this point. SpaceCowboy444 (talk) 19:29, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
 * no need to delete it either
 * someone someday will witness our sins and... probably not react in any meaningful way cogsan  •  (give me attention)  •  (see my deeds)  20:03, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Terrifying... and also very fitting for Ultrakill. SpaceCowboy444 (talk) 20:43, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

before i get too bold...
info on the sex update was removed because "it was a mod", but i think it would be a better idea to add it back, because it's an official mod with sauce backing it up

should i do the thing, or is it better off out of the article? 15:23, 21 March 2024 (UTC)


 * No, I don't think it warrants a second article. I made those changes so feel free to summarize as you feel necessary. The Final War section is a tad long winded but is extremely important to the plot. Hellaciousphlegm (talk) 15:28, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
 * If you don't know much about the game you should stick to copy editing, I did the Final War section by myself in hopes that other people will come in and cut it down. The Final War is integral to the plot as its the backstory behind the machines and many people may come to the ULTRAKILL wikipedia in order to read about the Final War synopsis. Although I agree it doesn't need to be so long winded since there is also a dedicated ULTRAKILL wiki separate from Wikipedia. I will probably cut it down myself. Hellaciousphlegm (talk) 15:32, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
 * thanks for your help on making the Final War section about as long as the Gabriel section, I removed the template. Hellaciousphlegm (talk) 15:50, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
 * "If you don't know much about the game you should stick to copy editing". Imagine I'd say something like "if you don't know much about copy-editing, stick to playing the game". Your edits are not helping. If there is a dedicated wiki out there, that is the place for that.  soetermans . ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 17:06, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
 * And try to follow bold, revert, discuss. soetermans . ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 17:16, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The part on the final war is important for the wikipedia page since it is a integral part to the game, the dedicated wiki is for extended detail. Hellaciousphlegm (talk) 17:25, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
 * If it's important, then find a reliable, secondary/independent sources per WP:BURDEN. This all strikes me as WP:GAMEGUIDE content. Woodroar (talk) 17:47, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
 * its not a game guide its part of the story. Hellaciousphlegm (talk) 17:58, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Plot sections are supposed to be brief summaries of what happens in the game, and we generally don't include a lot of detail about specific fictional elements. If we need to understand the Final War to understand the game itself, then surely a reliable source would have covered it in detail—and then we can summarize and cite that source. Woodroar (talk) 18:09, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

There is seriously no reason for this, I keep asking him to make edits or use the talk page but he continues to do it anyway. Hellaciousphlegm (talk) 17:27, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Add Violence layer to the Plot section?
It may be a good idea to update on the plot summary up to the end of the Violence layer. Showing V1's feat of bringing down Benjamin. While a good idea, I think it may be redundant, considering the summary itself goes thru the story act by act instead of going through the specifics of each layer. Any thoughts? JokerPuncture (talk) 13:31, 25 March 2024 (UTC)


 * impo, wp:bold my guy. if u can get the citations to get the section rolling, i think you've got a good enough support here to help continue it. [as a niche copyeditor myself i literally wouldnt mind helping copyedit once you publish]  -Astral  ~(he/him/his)  16:57, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
 * i might try it, if there's any citations related to layer 7 or it's enemies 2A02:C7C:D02E:1C00:48C7:78E3:B83:9540 (talk) 17:18, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * small update, the plot section has no citations at all, which might be a severe problem 2A02:C7C:D02E:1C00:48C7:78E3:B83:9540 (talk) 17:25, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Plot sections don't require citations btw, though it is encouraged (MOS:PLOTSOURCE) TheWikiToby (talk) 17:53, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * oh, i didn't know that i just was a bit concerned 2A02:C7C:D02E:1C00:657C:BB82:7C72:876F (talk) 15:41, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

add layers?
should we tell people the current layers in the game as of the time of edit until all of them

it's same as the inferno but not all are in yet just so people now the basic of the what's in the game now just level/"world"-wise

I don't know where this will go or if it's to far in the game info to be WP:GAMEGUIDE or not Skeletons are the axiom (talk) 15:24, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

living hell
hell is alive but it is not stated anywhere in game, but it seems important to get ONLY a PASSING mention (ex: saying livng hell instead of just hell) but I have no idea where to put it Skeletons are the axiom (talk) 17:06, 10 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Tangential bits of plot that don't even merit a mention in the work itself are definitely unfit for a wikipedia article. Remember that the game also has it's own wiki for that sort of thing. Ivannilych (talk) 16:53, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
 * "its", not "it's"!!
 * pettiness aside, the "finer details" of the plot (like why v1 doesn't take fall damage like that red loser) can very easily be considered fancruft, so i think the bare basics should do  cogsan (nag me)  (stalk me) 17:11, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
 * i think i already edited this out, but it shouldn't be included since its vague in the game, and the information already exists on the fan wiki Hellaciousphlegm (talk) 16:18, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * It's not like I'm doing in detail
 * It would be one PASSING mention
 * I think this page on the free online encyclopedia can a little skin
 * so please if you will, if you are just going to say that this honestly kinda big part of the game's setting shouldn't get a passing mention, just like delete it
 * also I thought it was deleted cause it was in the game play part of the wiki which didn't need that in it
 * have a good day =)   Skeletons are the axiom (talk) 17:03, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * since the "living" part of "living hell" is only hinted in layer 7 and revealed in an arg, i'd still say no
 * also that third sentence didn't make the slightest bit of sense  cogsan (nag me)  (stalk me) 17:26, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

should we part the hell part in the start of the page
the setting is a pretty big part of the game, I mean it's on the box art so I think it should be part the start of the page Skeletons are the axiom (talk) 17:07, 17 April 2024 (UTC)


 * did you mean "put"?  cogsan (nag me)  (stalk me) 17:27, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

act I section is too long
corpse of kinos and v2 should only get a passing mention and husk explanation is unecessary. maybe some more small edits but english is my second language so im not very qualified for that. Errrrrma (talk) 06:42, 26 April 2024 (UTC)


 * you could still be bold and do that yourself
 * but the way i see it, most of the background info is best included in act 1, assuming it should even be included in the first place
 * though i wouldn't be opposed to removing most of the fluff and just including what's directly presented in act 1  cogsan (nag me)  (stalk me) 11:22, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Vandalism watchers
Seems like people are getting to cocky with vandalizing, and they do not care about a thing. We should just get a group from a lot of different timezones to stop vandalizing, and I am aware that people try to undo it in their own free time, but setting up a team would help in my opinion. TheMushyCrazs (talk) 15:44, 5 May 2024 (UTC)


 * The article is already semi-protected until the 17th, so the vandalism has been stopped until the protection expires. TheWikiToby (talk) 16:31, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

on eyethings
that gameplay screenshot is old as fr*ck (sorry, my mom won't let me say fuck), down to having the old freshness meter

would replacing it with a newer one be worth it, or is it fine as is?  cogsan (nag me)  (stalk me) 21:07, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @Cogsan The current image is freely licensed, so if you get a newer image which is also freely licensed, I'm fine with it. TheWikiToby (talk) 21:28, 26 June 2024 (UTC)