Talk:Umm el-Qanatir

The link to the Jerusalem Post article does not work. A search of Jpost.com's website also fails to bring up the article. I did find the text of the article here - should that be substituted for the current link in the article? Springhill40 (talk) 11:36, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Cat
Its a synagogue in Syria. No explanation was provided when the Syria cat was removed. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 17:29, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * SIt's not in Syria now. We either have both Israel and Syria, or neither one, for NPOV, as we have done on countless other articles about the Golan. HupHollandHup (talk) 21:49, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * How is it not in Syria now? and why would we have a cat for Israel when its not in Israel but in Syria? --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 21:57, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Right now, that territory is not under Syrian control - it is occupied by Israel which has effectively annexed it. Or, in practical terms, if I want to visit Umm el Kanatir, I buy a plane ticket to Tel Aviv, not Damascus. We do not have a category for Israel, and as I wrote - the options are to list it as being in both Syria and Israel, or in neither one. But to place it only in Syria, as you have done, is both factually wrong and a violation of NPOV. HupHollandHup (talk) 01:34, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Since you are a sockpuppet of a blocked editor I reverted your edit. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 15:21, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

But he's right - it is not in Syria —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.26.208.78 (talk) 04:39, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Wrongly spelled title: add hyphen!
It's not Um with one m, it's not el Kanatir without hyphen, but it's Umm el-Kanatir - actually Umm el-Qanatir, but I understand that most people end up reading Qwanateer if they see the Q, so OK, let's make that one (quite common) compromise with popular orthography. But the hyphen between the article and the noun is standard procedure. (Zero, I'm really sorry for bothering you again). Thanks, Arminden (talk) 12:22, 5 September 2018 (UTC)


 * About half of the dozen mentions on my computer don't use a hyphen. It is just a variety of Arabic transliteration. But Q is much more common than K in recent works. Suppose I rename it to "Umm el-Qanatir"? Zerotalk 13:17, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi. Shouldn't it be moved to Umm el-Qanatir, as agreed here-above? If so, would you please request the swap with the redirect? Thank you. Arminden (talk) 11:48, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Fine with me! It's more correct with Q anyway. I guess the hyphen-lessness is inherited from the French, they have their own style; the Brits now quite consistently use a hyphen. But the Golan was French. Arminden (talk) 19:48, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

When was the synagogue built, when decorated?
According to the more serious sources I came across, it looks as if it was built in the mid-5th century, but I couldn't see any consensus on whether the elaborate carvings and other decoration were there from the beginning or (more likely) were added in C6. There's no final report, and other IAA reports on Area B (the synagogue) are mentioned, but don't show up online. Hachlili doesn't seem to concentrate on the dating issue. It might be non-essential, but it bugs me. Arminden (talk) 12:28, 5 September 2018 (UTC)


 * I'll look into this but I'm working on a project until next week that leaves me no time. There is supposed to be something in a book of Ma'oz called "Ancient Synagogues Revealed". I don't have it. Zerotalk 13:12, 5 September 2018 (UTC)


 * More correctly, my library has it but I'm not in my home town. Zerotalk 13:13, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

Hebrew names: beware of new ones
I removed from the lead the indicated Hebrew name, which doesn't show up in any source and seems to have been extrapolated (lit. translated) by a previous editor or by Google Translate from the Arabic. I added under "Etymology" two very rarely, but actually used Hebrew names - and added data on the identification attempts trying to match the site with place names from ancient Jewish sources. That's the more academic approach than ad-hoc name inventions with a strong smell of political agenda. However, ignoring them is not serving the WP user either. Arminden (talk) 12:42, 5 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Maps and some sources also call it "el Manshiyye" or "el Manshiya". Some maps show this place immediately adjacent and others don't distinguish at all. Zerotalk 13:15, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

How to connect to differently named Wikimedia category?
Hi. Lots of poor, but also some very good pictures at 2 Wikimedia pages. I don't know how to rename them or otherwise link them to this article. Anyone? Cheers, Arminden (talk) 21:17, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
 * https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Um_el_Kantar_synagogue
 * https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Um_el_Kantar