Talk:Un célebre especialista sacando muelas en el gran Hotel Europa

Recovered status
There is an El Nacional article saying the film doesn’t survive but they recently found and restored some images from it. More info/sources appreciated Kingsif (talk) 16:03, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Critics
Another article that mentions a thesis arguing it’s Venezuela’s first terror film Kingsif (talk) 16:11, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Request for input
Here because Kingsif asked me to see if I had any advice for improvements to the article (this was a couple of weeks ago, but RL unfortunately intrudes sometimes). The first port of call for any article is ensuring fidelity to the sources: avoiding outright errors, synthesis and ensuring text-source integrity. If the sourcing is right, then that's the base on which everything else is built, so I did a spot check of some of the sources first. Unfortunately, those I did look at didn't quite adhere to all of the above: This was a spot check of just four sources. Only one out of the four I checked (genuinely at random) was used correctly (López 2003, p. 109). For this article, nothing else matters than ensuring that all the text reflects the sources accurately and that the placement of citations has been considered to ensure proper verifiability, so I suggest that each is checked in turn and the text amended where necessary. Don't worry about great prose at this stage; this is a short enough article that everything else that might have been mentioned in the FAC for improvement shouldn't be a huge problem to deal with after alignment with the necessary guidelines. Steve T • C 23:02, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Referenced to Page 13 of Latin American Cinema by Stephen Hart: "The screening may not have gone well; reports suggest the public were intrigued by the moving images, but indifferent to the films themselves."—This does not appear in the cited source. The closest it comes is "It was not long, though, before audiences were craving more interesting material than ... a dentist's antics." This does not suggest at all that the screening went badly and only implies that audiences craved more sophisticated fare after its screening and those of films by the Lumière brothers.
 * Cited to "Homenaje a Manuel Trujillo Durán" is the statement "The director of the film is unknown; scholars and researchers have suggested that the most likely people to be the director would be Manuel Trujillo Durán, a photographer from Maracaibo, or Veyre, the French traveling filmmaker."—This source only suggests Manuel and his brother exhibited the films. I understand that it is the case that his name has been mentioned as a potential director, but this source does not state it. Nor does it mention Veyre. I suspect it is only being used to cite "Film scholar, lecturer and Trujillo biographer Alexis Fernández" and his credentials, and that the Youtube cite that follows is the one that is used to discuss Durán's possibility as director. If so, a duplicate cite is required at the end of that first sentence to the YT source, as it makes verifiability more difficult.
 * The statement: "In terms of the general public, there are spaces where the belief persists that Trujillo single-handedly invented Venezuelan cinema. An article in Últimas Noticias about National Film Day events in January 2019 celebrated Trujillo for making and projecting the film himself and outfitting the Baralt Theatre so the films could be shown." This is cited to the article in Últimas Noticias itself and the first sentence is therefore WP:OR.
 * Thanks, Steve, taking your time doesn't matter. I will go through all sources more carefully, and may include some quotes in the cite template for the especially tricky ones, which I imagine you were looking for. Kingsif (talk) 23:33, 22 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Source edits I have made re. the above:
 * 1) Removed the first one - this was originally cited to Hart (for a quotation that's been moved) and an essay by Arturo Serrano. Though Serrano is an expert and professor on Venezuelan cinema, the essay itself was only published on academia, possibly not FA verifiable.
 * 2) No edit - the opening sentence of the Production and director section was added per recommendation at FAR to summarize the section before getting into it; it does not need citation as it is non-controversial and immediately expanded on. As suspected, the source is to support Fernandez' description. Of course, if this opening sentence is found to be unnecessary, it can easily be removed.
 * 3) Similarly, parts of this third one were also cited to Serrano. I have cut down the first part to only reference what is seen with the article.
 * Kingsif (talk) 15:30, 29 January 2020 (UTC)