Talk:Unborn Victims of Violence Act

I wonder if it should be stated that, although "Laci and Conner's Law" may sound good, this act would apply at the federal level and thus not have "protected" Laci and Conner. Timbo

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 * The Act added a new punitive article to U.S.C. Title 18. If state law does not contain a similar punitive article, the case can be tried on a federal level, as well as on the state level (though not concurrently) via the dual sovereignty doctrine. I would imagine in the future to avoid appeals on double jeopardy grounds, homocide involving an unborn child will be escalated to the U.S. Attorney, but Laci and Conner are, in fact, covered by their law if Scott Peterson is convicted. Skyler 00:49, Aug 16, 2004 (UTC)
 * My bad. Timbo

I've made a clarification in the text to add "Laci" before Peterson's mother where it discusses Sharon Rocha's presence at the signing ceremony. Previously, the article may have been misinterpreted to imply that Scott Peterson's mother was present. (Chris)

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Removed the Copy tag. WikiSource looks to have complete works or standalone components. There is provision at WS for the Act at List of Acts of the United States Congresses/Acts of the 108th United States Congress, however at this stage, the text has not been created. -- billinghurst (talk) 04:24, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

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New Discussion - Error In Constitutional Validity
The law as written does not " recognizes an embryo or fetus in utero as a legal victim ", the law stipulates that a separate charge be available for a particular offence against the mother. By US 14th amendment, to receive equal protection , or reprisal as a legal victim , one must be born ; hence , prior to that point , the foetus is the private property of the mother and any harm to the foetus remains an offence against the mother. There is a reason that capital punishment is not allowed, else a constitutional ruling would unravel the facetious language. There is a reason that the law includes the statement " had that injury or death occurred to the unborn child's mother ". There is a reason that consent to abortion is not punishable by the statute. The claim that the foetus is a legal victim is political flatulence that violates the wikipedia policy of promoting opinion over fact. GeMiJa (talk) 00:36, 13 November 2018 (UTC)


 * The literal law states otherwise. https://www.ncsl.org/research/health/fetal-homicide-state-laws.aspx These are the laws verbatim from the State Code of 37 different states. From California Cal. Penal Code § 187 (a) defines murder as the unlawful killing of a human being or a fetus with malice aforethought. I highly suggest you look over that document and the statues provided before you go around wagging a finger at everyone. Rook2pawn (talk) 20:50, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Democrats vs. Republicans?
This article is devoid of any references to Democrats or Republicans. It would be useful if United States party support one way or the other were explored. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:5A8:0:1:0:0:0:40B (talk) 20:35, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Discussion of the Overturning of Roe vs Wade
Given the discussion of Roe vs Wade in this article and the (apparently) conflicting relation between both laws, the overturning of Roe vs Wade, along with the implications thereof, should be discussed. I have refrained from doing so as I have little understanding of this subject. Matthyis (talk) 16:06, 27 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Correction: Roe vs Wade was overruled, not overturned. Matthyis (talk) 19:38, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

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