Talk:Uncle Tupelo

Untitled
Ah, lovely. No true Discography here. And, as always, I don't have the information to do it myself. Not entirely, at least. *sighs* Could someone get in here and fix this? Please?

Kell 05:11, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

Caption of who's who on the photo? 70.218.176.94 22:54, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

In the first paragraph, it says that Jay Farrar's band remains the champion of alt country, but in Influences, it says "alternative country--a term that Farrar has recently avoided." Which is it? 208.5.196.100 09:56, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

reorganization
I found this article to be very disorganized, messy, and POV in some places. I did a lot of rearranging to try to put things in their appropriate sections, softened some POV language, and made a number of small changes. I think that the article flows better than it did before, but I am open to any feedback on the edit. The article still obviously needs some work, and hopefully somebody who knows more about the band will step up. Moonroe

Opening for Michelle Shocked blurb
''Uncle Tupelo also accompanied Michelle Shocked on her tour for the Arkansas Traveller album. However, Uncle Tupelo left the tour after Shocked fired The Band and because they didn't like the way that Taj Mahal was being treated.[22]'' Omarcheeseboro 00:30, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

huh? Do you know the link goes to The Band's entry? (Robbie Robertson,etc).
 * It should. The remnants of The Band performed with Shocked on the tour (this is after Robertson left and Manuel passed away). Teemu08 21:12, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I didn't realize that. Omarcheeseboro 00:30, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Jay Farrar
Especially since most of the content for this article comes from the Tweedy book by Kot, how about including some of Farrar's perspective? The Tweedy incident here seems pretty important in the history of the band. Omarcheeseboro 00:26, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/page/news/2005/09/08
 * Thanks for the link. I've added Farrar's side of the story to the article. Teemu08 21:15, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

http://www.gloriousnoise.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=3906&view=next&
 * Thanks for the update. You did a great job with the page so I thought I'd let you do control the major edits. However, I guess I should have given you more than just the Pitchfork link. Check out the full Relix article here:

The incident with Tweedy and Farrar's then gf/wife occured way before they broke up.

Thanks again, great work.. Omarcheeseboro 00:26, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Comments
Split the Lead into three sections. Put in the ISBN numbers for the Kot and Goodman books. Take out the links for Kot's page numbers. :) egde 18:13, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Found site that may help:
 * "The world's most comprehensive site about Uncle Tupelo" egde 02:18, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

"This caused tensions between Tweedy and Dade, and Dade left the band only two months after Tweedy joined." Needs a citation, because it stands out. egde 21:04, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Teemu08 00:13, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Good article nomination
I second the comments above, excellent work, Teemu08. The article has come a long way since you took over. My primary concern now is with the overreliance on Kot's book, which can't really be seen as a perfectly independent, neutral, or reliable source (a lot of the imput seems to come from the Tweedy family). I email Michael who runs factorybelt.net a whole bunch of contemporary news clips on the career of the band, and I believe he posted most of them. Some of the details (breakup, Michelle Shocked tour) should probably be toned down unless we have multi-sourcing. Also, the claim that UT "spawned" alternative country is denied both by the band and doesn't pass a quick fact check. The earliest mention I can find on Newsbank is from 1986, and it's usually used to denote Dwight Yoakam and similar, anti-Nashville country artists. It's probably more accurate to say UT spawned "No Depression", if ND is defined as the punk/folk subgenre of alternative country. Sadly I'm currently inactive on WP, but I'll try to help where I can. ~ trialsanderrors 04:49, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I toned down the "spawned" comment; in hindsight it was a bit over the top. There is a slight bias towards Tweedy's side of the UT story in Kot's book simply because (its probably safe to say) Farrar wanted no part of it. Nonetheless, it is packed with interviews with Heidorn, Henneman, Margherita, and Wade Farrar to make up for Jay's absence. Even factorybelt.net admits "for the best overview of the band's entire history, see the first few chapters in Greg Kot's book Wilco: Learning to Die." However, I'm always looking to add more material from magazines and newspapers and such, so if you know of any that cover material not presented in this article, I'd love to see it and incorporate it. Teemu08 21:26, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
 * See if this is useful:
 * Blackstock, Peter, "Son Volt: Jay Farrar traces a path away from Uncle Tupelo", No Depression, 1, Fall 1995
 * Nice work on the article. -MrFizyx 06:48, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

GA Review

 * GA review (see here for criteria)


 * 1) It is reasonably well written.
 * a (prose): b (MoS):
 * 1) It is factually accurate and verifiable.
 * a (references): b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR):
 * 1) It is broad in its coverage.
 * a (major aspects): b (focused):
 * 1) It follows the neutral point of view policy.
 * a (fair representation): b (all significant views):
 * 1) It is stable.
 * 2) It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.
 * a (tagged and captioned): b lack of images (does not in itself exclude GA):  c (non-free images have fair use rationales):
 * 1) Overall:
 * a Pass/Fail:
 * a Pass/Fail:

The article, as of Tuesday, June 5, 2007, is well sourced, has a NPOV prose (which could use a small bit of embellishment), and each image contains an appropriately allotted Fair Use rationale. The only comment of mine is actually a personal one: redlinks. This article does have a few. I think it would be quite a bit better off with them removed. My advice doesn't have to be followed; it's just a minor input on my part. Other than that, everything looks great. Continue the exceptional work. N SR 77 ( Talk 21:03, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Wilco and Loose Fur bandmembers and discographies
Since both Wilco and  Loose Fur have categories in them which cause them to be included set of articles that are tagged by bot with ChicagoWikiProject, it might make sense for the band members and related discographies to have similar categories. I was looking at Jeff Tweedy and noticed that he has Category:People from Belleville, Illinois and Category:Illinois musicians in his article. If he had Category:People from Chicago or Category:Chicago musicians in his article then he would be tagged with ChicagoWikiProject and thus they would fall under WP:CHICAGO. As WP:CHICAGO director, I would like to monitor these musicians, but I generally leave category decision to the editors of the pages. Please make whatever category decisions you feel would be correct with this in mind for all band members, the bands and all discographies.

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Introduction use of "Byword"
I speak english pretty well for an American with a Masters degree. Never heard this word in my life. Why? WHY is this used here??? Cosprings (talk) 14:34, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * You mean this one: "byword"? ~ trialsanderrors (talk) 15:19, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Discography Merger into this article
In September I merged the Uncle Tupelo discography into this article. PresN undid this move, saying in their edit summary "Merging a featured list into a featured article with no discussion? Odd move" There was nothing whatsoever "odd" about this move. As WP:MERGE states: "If the need for a merge is obvious, individual editors can be bold and simply do it." PresN does not state in their edit summary why they believe the discography should not be merged into the main article, nor did they start a discussion about it, so I can only conclude that the only reason PresN had for reverting my merger was I didn't discuss it first. Since Wikipedia's guidelines clearly state that I can merge without discussing if the need is obvious, and there have been no concrete objections raised to the merger on cause, I have remerged. The need to merge these two articles is very obvious: Since the band is no longer together, neither the main body of the article nor the discography are likely to have much information added to them. Adding the discography to the Uncle Tupelo article makes a relatively short article a better article, it improves it, the rationale for merging the two is obvious thus doing so without discussion was appropriate, and the merger should not have been reverted, and now I have provided an exhaustive explanation of why, so the remerger should now stand. Mmyers1976 (talk) 22:59, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
 * WP:SIZERULE states that an article with a readable prose size under 40 kB is not long enough for its length to justify splitting out a section. Uncle Tupelo, even with the full discography, has a readable prose size of only 32 kB. You don't need a readable prose size counting tool to recognize this is a short article, just a glance at the article will tell you that.
 * WikiProject Musicians Article Guidelines state that "Musicians that have released a significant amount of work should be given their own discography articles." This makes it clear that not all musicians should be given their own discography articles, only those that have released a significant about of work. Uncle Tupelo only released four studio albums. On top of that only two compilation albums, and only five singles. In no world does this qualify as a "significant amount of work."

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