Talk:Underworld: Evolution

Summary
The film summary was horribly long, dull and badly written. I tried cutting it down, and probably sliced it by half. It's still really long, and maybe someone wants to edit it further. A summary should probably cover the major plot points, but doesn't need to give a total film play-by-play. Davey1107 (talk) 03:54, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Typographical Error?
Having just seen this movie, in the scrolling marquee at the beginning Marcus' name is spelled Markus.

The paragraph states:

''MARKUS, BITTEN BY A BAT, BECAME THE BLOOD LEADER OF THE VAMPIRES.''

I thought it was interesting to note. --Behälter (talk) 19:50, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Release Date
Release Date. Question, Is Wikipedia a US project or a world project. Is a movie released the first place and time it goes into the regular screening schedule, or when it screens in US Cinemas? Alex Law 08:29, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is a world project. Kappa 02:28, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 * It was only a half serious question, I've had a few movie articles changed on details / Australian content deleted. But... I thought I'd put a comment here, in the hope that it mught provoke a little discussion.Alex Law 12:30, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is a world project, but its high American traffic tends to tilt it to the the American side of things. If you feel that the article would benefit from your influence in some way because of your location/persuasion, feel free to bring it up on the discussion page. But since Wikipedia can't have specific entry for all of the countries in the world, the overriding factor for something like a release date would be the date accepted by the production company as the release. Theoretically, anyway. Gspawn

Quotes
Why is there a random selection of quotes on this article? They don't add anything and don't actually have all that much bearing in the movie itself... -Localzuk (talk) 10:30, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree, good thing you removed it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mickey Ichiro (talk • contribs)
 * I also agree. This article is and will continue to suffer the stain of underachiever complex until it is removed for good. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crimsonnaire (talk • contribs)
 * I have removed the section now. Please remember to sign your posts by using ~ -Localzuk (talk) 11:47, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

What git went into so much detail about Selene and Michael engaging in sexual intercourse?

Regarding Inconsistencies
I don't think that some of those inconsistencies make sense, because it appears to be someone else's personal review of Underworld Evolution. Is there a requirement for sources to be cited in such a case?

Darklord of the Sith Daniel Lim 14:38, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree that this section requires serious clean-up. If I was familiar at all with the movie or the comic, I would do so myself; I only saw the first movie once. The section has been tagged due to the obvious neutrality issues. Ladyeternal 02:17, 8 July 2006 (UTC)


 * That's an extremely long argument for a series that is only two movies and a small fan group. If there is such a thing as overanalyzing, this has to be it. --Destron Commander 14:19, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

-It's obvious in the second film (the opening scene in 1202) that Victor lied about the chronology and very origin of vampires in order to amplify the power of the elders and conceal the lycan/vampire connection. In 1202 Victor, Amelia, and Markus are all seen together. The chain had not started yet. I do not think the average viewer perceives that William has been rampaging for centuries, but that the entire history started in the late 1100s and early 1200s. Some of the time inconsistencies are invalid, and I am editing them.
 * Sign your posts. The problem with the section has nothing to do with whether there are inconsistencies or not or whether the ones stated are viable.  It has to do with the fact that the section is an opinion piece and this is not the place for it.  It doesn't need cleanup, it needs deletion.  Canonblack 07:19, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

The inconsistancy about Selene's age is false as well. Selene was turned the night after Lucian escaped. It was explained that Viktor went to her house to kill off her family because they knew where William was being kept. Viktor couldn't take the chance Luce would find out about this and free him.Jupiterzguy 02:24, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
 * This is incorrect. The first movie states that she is six hundred years old, and the second movie states that she's 800 years old. How can that not be considered an inconsistency? As for the rest of your point, yes, Viktor was revealed in UE to have wiped out Selene's family because they knew of William's hiding place, but nowhere in either film does anyone mention any connection between Lucian and William. This would appear to be conjecture on your part.

User:Oshram 10:15 15 August 2007 Viktor was only making certain that Lucian would not try to open William's tomb because Lucian had possession of one of the keys. The killing of her family was a mere precaution. Viktor could not know if Lucian knew more about William's tomb, and he also did not know how mad Lucian might had gone. User: IsabellaRenee 1:12 18 December 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.171.235.226 (talk) 06:15, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

How in any way is this a horror film?
It was an action movie featuring fantasy creatures. It was not frightful nor was it intended to be frightening or disgusting. 71.131.177.48
 * Agreed. It's a common misconception reinforced by boneheaded marketing. Canonblack 07:15, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia doesn't have a category for 'Dark Fantasy', the entry under that title is a reference to a radio series.
 * It might be useful to set up an article about Dark Fantasy and a listing of Dark Fantasy films and movies but that would come quite close to Original Research. So for now this should remain listed under horror.David Cheater 16:37, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

The claim that Marcus became a Hybrid after drinking Singe's blood is false. Marcus has the ability to become a bat/hybrid as that is where the vampire abilities come from. Victor even states in the first film, "The sons of Corvinus, one bitten by wolf, another bitten by bat." In the same way that William as the first Lycan was able to transform into a wolf (until he lost his mind and had to remain in Lycan form, Marcus has the ability to transform into what most of modern culture deem to be the origin of the vampire species, the bat. Steve S84.69.168.85 21:08, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. The fact that nobody seemed the least bit surprised that Marcus was able to turn into a bat-like monster supports this argument. It would seem that Marcus always had this ability.  Although, one thing puzzles me is that Selene told Michael that there has never been a hybrid before, and yet she knew Marcus was a hybrid for hundreds of years. Voicingmaster 02:52, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * But if Marcus truely had that ability all along it would mean that he wasn't really a hybrid, or it could mean she didn't know he was a hybrid.--Marhawkman 13:17, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * They were talking about a lycan/vampire hybrid, which Marcus wasn't until he was wakened with Singe's blood. LadyEternal 18:56, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Awful
I have to say that as it stands, this article is a little bit awful. The plot summary is nearly a blow by blow account of the movie - which is not a summary. I am going to have a go at shortening this and also wikifying it.-Localzuk(talk) 18:32, 26 November 2006 (UTC) >> If you want to shorten it, I'd suggest you bring a chainsaw. Who wrote that sillyness???

While on the topic of awful, what is with that "up the hill, down the hill" thing in the opening paragraph? I don't want to delete it as vandalism, since it might be someone's vernacular. Help? Howa0082 16:15, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Bold?
Why is there a bolded section at the beginning of the article? This is the only article that I have ever seen to have something like that. Delete it? soldierx40k 13:55, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Most articles are like this. According to Lead section, "The article's subject should be mentioned at the earliest natural point in the prose in the first sentence, and should appear in boldface." Think outside the box 17:21, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

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Plot Summary
The plot summary is not too long or too detailed. Readers of Wikipedia want and expect full plot summaries with spoilers. Otherwise, book and movie entries become lower-quality versions of criticism easily available elsewhere. Full plot summary with spoilers is the only thing Wikipedia offers that other sources do not. D40 (talk) 17:49, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

The current word count for the plot summary is 950 words. That's a little excessive. Is there any way to cut it down by half? This plot is not that difficult that it needs all of this detail. Please remember the old saying, "Less is more." FWIW, J Readings (talk) 07:13, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Incidentally, this is taken directly from WikiProject_Films' Style Guidelines:

''The plot section is made self-contained (and is a totally separate section designated by ==Plot==), so plot details and actor names already mentioned in the lead section, and/or mentioned in a cast section, are repeated here. Plot summaries should be between 400 and 700 words (about 600 words), but should not exceed 900 words unless there is a specific reason such as a complicated plot.''


 * D40, you do not speak for "readers of Wikipedia." Some guy (talk) 08:17, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

UnderworldEvolutionSS.png
I have re-inserted this image as I think it is important for any film article to have at least one screenshot, preferrably showing the protagonist or the film's visual style or both. I think showing the appearance of main characters should be considered a suitable justification, but if that's not good enough, we could definitely add critical commentary related to the screenshot. There is currently nothing in the article about the film's visual style, such as heavy use of darkness and a blue-hued pallette. We could discuss the visual style and usage of blue which is apparent in the screenshot, as well as the costumes and makeup used for the characters, or the special effects used in this particular scene. Some guy (talk) 20:37, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Some summary changes
I cut down the summary somewhat, and changed the wording to make it a bit shorter and more concise. AlessaGillespie (talk) 09:04, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Well I took a crack at it, and managed to drop about 150 words from the summary. Brian Cates —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.240.212.137 (talk) 20:28, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * You dropped it down to only 5 sentences. Please don't do that again. Shorter does not mean erase everything and write in only a few words. AlessaGillespie (talk) 03:49, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Marcus vs Markus
The spelling of "Markus" in the opening text crawl is a goof. His name is spelled as "Marcus" in the ending credits, the official website, the production notes, and all of the official novelizations. AlessaGillespie (talk) 03:42, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: not moved. Disruptive RM by block-evading IP. Jenks24 (talk) 19:37, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Underworld: Evolution → – The title does not have a colon. 2A02:C7D:564B:D300:F4E6:BFC0:4929:9A34 (talk) 17:08, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose for same reason as at Talk:Dick Figures: The Movie, etc. The nominator is confused about English orthographic conventions.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  21:07, 11 July 2016 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Score section
Someone needs to make the original score section alone with the soundtrack section. 152.250.153.191 (talk) 01:56, 2 October 2023 (UTC)