Talk:Undocumented immigrant students in the United States

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History
I am planning on adding a historical perspective of undocumented students and the options available for students today. SimBerg21 (talk) 03:53, 8 September 2016 (UTC)


 * If I were to edit this article, I would also want to enhance the history section and add to the overall organization of the article. Cpm5 (talk) 17:47, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

Proposed merge
I would like to propose merging this article with Undocumented youth in the United States -- a similar article on an overlapping topic. This is a large and complex issue, and having two articles doesn't help explain the topic. Thoughts? -- phoebe / (talk to me) 22:10, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Support per nomination. Articles appear to have been started separately in good faith. Wikishovel (talk) 06:15, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Please continue this discussion over on the other talk page: Talk:Undocumented youth in the United States. Klbrain (talk) 10:48, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Edits and Additions
I am planning on making adjustments to the tuition and financial aid section, by adding state-by-state information and resources. Resources outlined below:

Minnesota Dream Act. (n.d.) Retrieved August 8, 2017 from http://www.ohe.state.mn.us/mPg.cfm?pageID=2056

National Map. (n.d.) Retrieved August 8, 2017 from http://uleadnet.org/

What Does It Mean To Be Undocumented?. Retrieved August 8, 2017 from https://world.utexas.edu/undocumented/resources/understanding

Abrego, L. J.  (2006). I can’t go to college because I don’t have papers: Incorporation patterns of Latino undocumented youth. Latino Studies, 4, 212–231. Retrieved from http://www.williamperezphd.com/articles/abrego-2006.pdf

Krogstad, J.M., Passel, J.S., & Cohn, D. (2017, April 27). 5 facts about illegal immigration in the U.S. Retrieved from http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/27/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/

National Center for Education Statistics [NCES]. (2006). Profile of undergraduates in U.S.  postsecondary education institutions 2003–04 with a special analysis of community college students. Washington DC: U.S. Department of Education. Retrieved from https://nces.ed.gov/pubs2006/2006184_rev.pdf

Passel, J.S., & Cohn, D. (2016, November 17). Children of unauthorized immigrants represent rising share of K-12 students. Retrieved from http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/17/children-of-unauthorized-immigrants-represent-rising-share-of-k-12-students/

Suarez-Orozco, C., Yoshikawa, Teranishi, & Suarez-Orozco, M. (2011). Growing up in the shadows: the developmental implications of unauthorized status. Harvard Educational Review, 81(3), pp. 438-472. Retrieved from http://oppenheimer.mcgill.ca/IMG/pdf/Growing_up.pdf

Please let me know if you have any questions or additions.

Gtorres1121 (talk) 15:25, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Issues
The usage of the term "undocumented" as opposed to the legally correct "illegal" (which also happens to be used elsewhere on Wikipedia) is political. The first sentence, for instance, fails to mention the obvious fact that the "undocumented" students are illegal immigrants residing in the United States contrary to US law. One can argue that "illegal student" doesn't sound nice, but then this doesn't explain why in the body of the article the term "undocumented immigrant" is used as opposed to "illegal immigrant.

I have made appropriate edits. If you disagree, feel free to make your case here. JDiala (talk) 21:30, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

The use of the word illegal has certain political connotations. As this is supposed to be an unbiased article, the use of the word "illegal" as opposed to "undocumented" promotes clear bias. Additionally, as some individuals are here legally because their parents brought them here (per DACA), the use of the word illegal is incorrect. Gtorres1121 (talk) 04:21, 2 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Illegal alien/immigrant is the proper legal term and used in Wikipedia per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard/Archive_66#The_use_of_the_term_.22illegal_alien.22
 * Do not revert from this. --Tscherpownik (talk) 04:35, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
 * It would be better to avoid "illegal" unless it is actually used in the sources cited. One could say "such students" or "these people" if you don't really know what the source said (although you should check first). BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 18:05, 24 June 2018 (UTC)