Talk:Union College/Archive 1

Tone and links
The "Distinguished alumni (selected)" section has a promotional tone that doesn't use the neutral point of view. I suggest making it less of an argument about how succesful Union College alumni have been, and letting the sources and entries speak for themselves. Also, I'm concerned about the number of external links in the text. WP:EL says ''External links should not normally be used in the body of an article. Instead, include appropriate external links in an "External links" section at the end of the article, and in the appropriate location within an infobox, if applicable.'' On the whole, the article looks like a great improvement. Thanks for the effort.  Will Beback   talk    05:14, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I will be rewriting the lead paragraphs for the Alumni section. We'll also probably make the alumni list a separate page. UraniaNott (talk) 13:41, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Lead paragraphs of Alumni section rewritten to remove partisan tone. Eliphaletnott (talk) 15:23, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * This is simply my style of writing. I worked hard to make the entire article as neutral as I could, as well as thoroughly documented.  Probably overdid somewhat.  I can rewrite the introduction to the alumni section if you think it wise.  Perhaps I could just provide some prominent examples, as other sites do, and leave the rest of it for the reader to evaluate? Eliphaletnott (talk) 12:03, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * No such thing as being too documented or sourced. Always err on the side of citation, which you've done a great job of here.  upstate NYer formerly wadester16 20:54, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I plan to reduce the links as I complete my copyediting of the article.  upstate NYer formerly wadester16 11:47, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Rewrite of the lead
Can this section from the current lead be worked into the history section? It is too in-depth for the lead and is missing from the history section; it is interesting and notable enough to be here, just not in the lead:
 * Certain that General Burgoyne's defeat at the Battle of Saratoga two years before would mean a new nation, nearly 1,000 citizens of northern New York (which then included what eventually became Vermont) began the first popular demand for higher education in America. Local academic and religious activists persisted in these efforts for sixteen years until the Regents of the University of the State of New York recognized the school with that institution's first charter. 
 * Thanks.  upstate NYer formerly wadester16 00:25, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Rankings
Rankings added from current web editions of US News and Forbes. Eliphaletnott (talk) 15:21, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Athletics
I will work on an expansion of the Athletics section. Eliphaletnott (talk) 17:03, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, as noted, "A link to Achilles Rink is definitely warranted." Otherwise, this looks fantastic! Bearian (talk) 21:01, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Pictures
First of all, bravo on the revision of the article. It obviously includes some well-thought changes and major effort. Please change the picture of the Nott Memorial (at the top of the article) to a picture of the Official Seal of Union College. Use other wiki pages of colleges / universities as a guide; they all have their official seal at the top of the article. Also, what happened to the list of well-known alumni that was in the previous article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Adotj (talk • contribs) 16:21, September 2, 2009 (UTC)
 * If you look at the wikicode, the official seal and logo are both there, but commented out. These images are fair use, and cannot be used outside of the actual Union College article. Also commented out are relevant categories and some other information that is not yet pertinent to the rewrite. Once we migrate it over, the images and categories will be included.  upstate NYer  22:18, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

The distinguished alumni section has been radically expanded and made more inclusive; it is in the collapsed subsections under "Distinguished Alumni". Probably, after the dust settles, it should all be moved to a daughter page. Eliphaletnott (talk) 23:10, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Radio Station
Something missing from the old version of that article is a mention of the radio station, which I think is warranted here.  upstate NYer  14:42, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Feedback
(In response to the request on WT:UNI)

General comments:
 * There should be a section on the administration, organization, and finances as per WP:UNIGUIDE
 * The tone often drifts into an unencyclopedic tone (too textbooky or conversational)
 * Many sections have too much detail or background info. For example, a description of college rankings is not required before the rankings section (that the rankings section should be replaced with an infobox notwithstanding).

&mdash; DroEsperanto (talk) 22:29, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I am working on a rearrangement and expansion along these lines, together with a revised format for the alumni article--albeit slowly. Eliphaletnott (talk) 13:52, 2 November 2009 (UTC)


 * To increase your responses, I've started a formal peer review which should provide plenty of helpful information. -Mabeenot (talk) 19:34, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I think I already see some use of the article for PR purposes, which I shall monitor. Eliphaletnott (talk) 20:49, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The formal PR got lots of helpful responses. Let me know if there are any specific tasks you and upstateNYer could use some help with. I may have some free time this weekend to devote to an article. (As a side note, be sure to cast your vote for next month's WikiProject Universities Collaboration of the Month). -Mabeenot (talk) 03:52, 2 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Oops. By "PR", I meant "public relations" (probably by someone at the institution).  However, I was subsequently led to the peer review talk on this article, and will try to make some changes per the feedback.Eliphaletnott (talk) 18:20, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm thinking that the must urgent editing need is for greater compliance with standard WP practice, with which I am not so familiar as others.Eliphaletnott (talk) 18:20, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Peer review
For ease of getting to it, I'm transcluding the ongoing peer review below. This is a transclusion. To edit the Peer Review, please click here; it will automatically update after you refresh this page. See below.  upstate NYer  01:06, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Endowment
As of December, 2009, the unofficial UC endowment value was just under $320, according to the UC Finance Office (personal inquiry by me). But this may not be a sufficient source. Eliphaletnott (talk) 15:18, 12 March 2010 (UTC)


 * You are correct, that is original research and should not be in this encyclopedia. If the information is published, then it becomes verifiable.  Until then, the NACUBO numbers should remain.  Thanks, Alanraywiki (talk) 15:35, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

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Logo Image
The logo currently displayed is not the official College logo anymore. That can be found here: http://www.union.edu/offices/communications/policies/style-guide/official-logo/

I don't know how to replace the current image on this page with the new logo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Librariesmatter (talk • contribs) 16:49, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Rankings
Someone needs to update the rankings for Union College; they are out of date. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.248.164.43 (talk) 23:38, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

The Forbes ranking should be only for bachelor's degree institutions, within which Union is 25. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.248.164.43 (talk) 20:40, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Alumni of Union College, Schenectady, NY
I noticed an important omission on the list of notable alumni. John W. Taylor, a ten term congressman from Ballston Spa, NY (1813-1833). Mr. Taylor was Speaker of the House for two of those terms. He graduated from Union College in 1803 as valedictorian of his class (age 19). All of this information about John W. Taylor can be found on Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.97.139.10 (talk) 16:46, 25 August 2016 (UTC)


 * He's already included in List of Union College alumni; debatable if he's notable enough to be included in the Alumni section of the Union College article. Contributor321 (talk) 17:34, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

piano mania
It is true that Union is an "all-Steinway" school. But there seems to be some controversy about this category. Should we just leave it off the Union College entry? Eliphaletnott (talk) 20:39, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd say it's too specific. Though, I don't see it anywhere in the article to begin with?  upstate NYer  02:07, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:55, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Union College (New York) → Union College — Union College already redirects here, so why the extra disambiguation?. TorriTorri(Talk to me!) 19:14, 22 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment . The  redirect has pointed to three different places, the one in New York, the one in Nebraska and the dab page. This suggests that Nebraska is a valid target, so Union College should be a dab page. 70.29.208.247 (talk) 05:20, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Judging from the Google News results and the pages linking to Union College, the New York college appears to be the primary topic, justifying the proposed move. --TorriTorri(Talk to me!) 18:04, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Support Primary topic.  There is already a hatnote redirecting to the disambiguation page for the lesser known colleges.  Skinsmoke (talk) 17:48, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - No reason for any of these colleges to be the primary. Make "Union College" a disambiguation page and leave this one alone. Beyond My Ken (talk) 08:35, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Except for the reasons I listed above, and for the article viewing statistics, which show that the New York college is the most viewed one. --TorriTorri(Talk to me!) 20:40, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Support since Union College redirect here. This is a no-duh redirect reversal for lack of ambiguity. Bolstered by TorriTorri primary topic evidence. --Cyber cobra (talk) 07:25, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Support due to primary topic and found it strange it was disamb in the first place in favor of the state name and not the city it is in...Camelbinky (talk) 07:30, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.