Talk:Union Square station (Somerville)

Requested move 26 July 2015

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: moved, I guess. These were moved almost a month ago, without waiting for an impartial closer I might add, but it doesn't seem anyone has had an objection to it. Jenks24 (talk) 16:26, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

– Established practice with MBTA station articles is to disambiguate identically-named stations by their line and (for the Green Line) branch, not by their location. Also, the current title for the "A" Branch station has two sets of parentheses in a row, which looks horrible to the eye, and is, in addition, quite clunky, even if its ghastly appearance is ignored. Whoop whoop pull up Bitching Betty &#124; Averted crashes 19:14, 26 July 2015 (UTC) --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 09:07, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Union Square (MBTA station) → Union Square (MBTA Green Line "E" Branch station)
 * Union Square (Allston) (MBTA station) → Union Square (MBTA Green Line "A" Branch station)


 * Support as WP:SNOW - this is a technical move on low-traffic pages and supported by both existing naming conventions, so I'm not sure it even needs a full move discussion. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 23:28, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
 * comment "Union Square (MBTA station)" will necessarily need to point to the disambiguation page Union Square, since it uses ambiguous disambiguation, failing WP:PRECISE (also, these articles need to be added to the dab page) -- 67.70.32.190 (talk) 05:29, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose I suggest Union Square, Somerville (MBTA Green Line station). The fact that E line trains are planned to run to on the GLX could change.  In fac, it is likely to change, granted the history of Green Line operations over the last century.  How far north each of the A/B/C/D/E trains ran/run (i.e. turned around) has changed regularly over the century history of the Green Line, as well as operationally several times on many days.  A/B/C/D/E designations made/make sense on the west end of the Green Line, after each of A/B/C/D/E fork off.  There are a geographical reality.  On the North End of the Green Line, it's just operational, so the established WP naming practice shouldn't apply.  More importantly, the typical MBTA rider does not think of the stations from Kendall to Lechmere as being on anyone of the B/C/D/E lines.  Way too early to know if the typical GLX rider will think it's stations are part of the E line. — Lentower (talk) 03:00, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The name of the station is not "Union Square, Somerville". It is "Union Square". Article title disambiguation by branch in this exact manner is long-established practice, and the "E" Branch running here has been decided for nearly a decade. Unlike the downtown terminal switching (which responds to year-by-year ridership surveys and other changeable elements), the northside branch identities are unlikely to change. They were decided by long-term operational characteristics - the Medford Branch is the longest and is thus paired with the grade-separated D which has superior schedule reliability, and the Union Square branch gets the E because of the utter dysfunction of the B and C. Only truly substantial changes elsewhere - we're talking grade-separating-the-B-through-BU or light-rail-on-the-Grand-Junction level substantial - will result in a change in which branches are through-routed. We can deal with that naming issue in a few decades. This is nothing more than a maintenance move. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 15:31, 10 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment This move was implemented way too soon. For something like this it's best to wait at least 10 days to a month. Not everyone with experience and a valuable opinion edits every day.  Vacations, family emergencies, business trips, etc. can all take someone away. — Lentower (talk) 03:00, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose I cannot see an inline citation that clearly identifies this future station as being part of the "E" branch. Until this article begins to meet minimum standards for articles I shall continue to oppose. Naming an article based on speculation is wrong on so many levels. -Bethayres (talk) 09:06, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Another issue I have is that most of the MBTA Green Line stations are suffixed with "(MBTA Station)". So the naming of this article is already creating a conflict with the majority of articles on stations on this line.  Also, the infobox states that the previous/following station is Lechmere. That's correct in name only ... the current Lechmere station will be demolished as part of the project, and a new Lechmere station will be built on a different plot of land. So the reference to Lechmere in the article should be to the new station, not the current one. This article is a mess.Bethayres (talk) 09:12, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * You're making some very incorrect assumptions here. First, it is well documented which branches will be extended to which stations; I believe the decisions were made as far back as the Beyond Lechmere study in 2006. I have added two citations (the most recently available Green Line operations plan, and the ridership results used in the federal funding application) to each of the Green Line Extension articles. They were not difficult to find; one was already cited in the Green Line Extension article. Second, the standard (MBTA station) is not a viable postfix here because of the reuse of "Union Square" as a station name, and that's a problem that crops up numerous times in the MBTA system because of common street names. Disambiguation with an expanded parenthetical is well established; Massachusetts Avenue (MBTA Orange Line station) and St. Paul Street (MBTA Green Line "B" Branch station) and their doppelgangers used the postfix disambiguation by 2008, and it is in heavy use on Commons as well. Third - and this is utterly unrelated to the naming of this page - when a station is rebuilt on the same location or extremely close to it, it is strongly preferred to keep both iterations in the same article rather than splitting the history into two places. Thus, the new Lechmere station will share an article with the old one. That is a feature, not a bug. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 15:18, 10 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Support per Pi.1415926535. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:49, 11 August 2015 (UTC)


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