Talk:United Air Lines Flight 736

Looking for official CAB report
For some unknown reason, the Dept. of Transportation website ( http://specialcollection.dotlibrary.dot.gov/ ) that holds a collection of historical CAB accident reports is missing this important, yet strangely forgotten, incident. I'm surprised there was no wikipedia article for this mid-air collision until this week, and even more surprised when I found out the CAB report isn't available where it should be, even though non-notable 1958 aviation incidents have downloadable reports at the DoT site. If anyone happens to find the CAB report online somewhere, please post the link in the article. Thank you, --Itsfullofstars (talk) 21:09, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

The CAB report can be found as part of a compendium of multiple reports. Here's a Google Books link, including the page offset. I'll leave it to a Wikipedia expert to fit it into the article. https://books.google.com/books?id=rXxMLAbOpwUC&pg=RA15-PA1 Doug Pardee (talk) 20:46, 1 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks for finding the report! I struggled with trying to use the google book link as a citation source.  However, I just added an external link in the article  to a 7-page PDF version of an ICAO (International Civil Aviation Organization) Circular from 1959 that covers the collision.  I stumbled on it while doing a google search of the registration number for the United DC-7.  Eventually I hope to use the ICAO circular as a primary source for citations, but I'm not sure I'll have time for now.  To make sure the report doesn't disappear I also added it to web.archive.org. Note:  At the time I added the external link I thought it was the official CAB report, but after comparing it to the google book link you provided, I realize it's not.  --Itsfullofstars (talk) 23:46, 11 April 2021 (UTC)


 * UPDATE: The offset to the correct page in the above Google Books URL has changed. It's now https://books.google.com/books?id=rXxMLAbOpwUC&pg=RA16-PA1#  I think I can put the link in the article now.  Hopefully it won't change again. —Itsfullofstars (talk) 18:36, 4 May 2021 (UTC)


 * UPDATE II: Well, the Google Books offset to the right page has stopped working AGAIN. No matter.  Awhile ago extracted the Flight 736 pages from the compendium of CAB reports, and uploaded them to the Internet Archive.  The Google Books compendium is no longer needed for the purposes of this article, but a big thanks again to Doug Pardee for finding the original.  The main article page has the (hopefully permanent!) link to the Internet Archive version that contains ONLY the United Flight 736 accident report.  No offsets required. Itsfullofstars (talk) 15:26, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

"Collision" section
Could anyone whos English is the first language check the section "Collision" please? I can see it's a bit grama mess and errors with "a/the/an". If noone here is a native English speaker, I'd ask someone here to review this section gramaticaly. Michalpro (talk) 00:19, 3 January 2010 (UTC) michalpro


 * Michalpro, I created and wrote the article. I don't understand where the 'grama mess' is that seems to be bothering you. English is my native language. --Itsfullofstars (talk) 09:40, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

I fell like those three: at too low an altitude to survive /.../ a hilly, uninhabited area of desert /.../ it was determined to be the drag parachute that is meant to be deployed

should be:

at (a) too low altitude to survive /.../ a hilly, uninhabited area of the desert /.../ it was determined to be a drag parachute that is meant to be deployed Michalpro (talk) 18:33, 3 January 2010 (UTC)michalpro


 * Thanks for the feedback. Although the changes are subtle and I've gone ahead and modified two sentences, but "at too low an altitude" is already proper English.  Google shows 62,900 hits for the exact phrase "at too low an altitude" but only 19 hits for "at a too low altitude", so I'm leaving that sentence as-is. --Itsfullofstars (talk) 21:14, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

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windscreen/windshield
For no good reason that I can see, the article alternates between the British term "windscreen" (which occurs four times) and the American term "windshield" (which occurs twice). A choice should surely be made, depending on which form of English the rest of the article is in.188.230.248.85 (talk) 12:41, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Done: The article should be in American English, though one use of "windscreen" was a direct quote from the (American) source, and two others were misquotes in our text. I've fixed them now. Swanny18 (talk) 13:08, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Film?
Wasn’t there a film made about this in the 60s? I vaguely remember seeing it when I was a kid. What stuck in my mind was a discussion about whether to go up or down when faced with an imminent collision (the answer was to go up, which meant you’d probably survive, though the other guy wouldn’t; it foreshadowed the end, when the same pilot flew down when he realized the other plane was an airliner). Swanny18 (talk) 12:42, 21 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Turns out it was the The Crowded Sky I was thinking of; but the film isn't based on this incident specifically. Ah well, Swanny18 (talk) 18:28, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

Working to get external links fixed
Just a note to say I'm working on getting various broken web URLs fixed. Over time they've suffered from link rot. Will use Internet Archive when applicable. −Itsfullofstars (talk) 18:25, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

It appears the crash site has been covered by commercial development
Hello, I'm the wikipedian who created this article, and over the years have been building it to the point where I'm responsible for over 90% of the content, based on the page stats. Some time ago I noticed the lot containing the main crash site where the airliner fuselage impacted was for sale, using this website ( https://www.redfin.com/NV/Las-Vegas/4765-W-Rush-Ave-89141/home/166562752 ). I had hoped the crash location would eventually be protected and a memorial or historical marker would be installed, but I just checked the location via the web (I live about 9 hours drive away, so checking in person will have to wait until my next Vegas vacation) and it looks like a self-storage business has paved over the site.

The Google Maps satellite view as I'm writing this on June 9 2021 is out-of-date, and still shows it as a patch of untouched desert, but the Acme mapper is more current and shows construction under way, while Yelp shows a completed business on the site. Since this is original research (I assume), I can't add this information to the main article.— Itsfullofstars (talk) 00:07, 10 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Update: I just learned that since 2018, maybe even earlier, a parking lot has covered the main Fight 736 crash site. Since this information is from the Las Vegas Review-Journal website, I've added it to the article. I may have to adjust the coordinates slightly, since a contact who has local knowledge has told me that the current coordinates are off a bit. — Itsfullofstars (talk) 00:50, 17 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Despite my concerns about original research, I've decided to add to the article that yet more commercial development has covered a good portion of a small nearby hill where the unofficial memorial once stood, since Google Earth street view proves it (Google Maps as of June 2021 is behind the times a bit). I hope that someone with local knowledge will read the article and contribute more definite information. — Itsfullofstars (talk) 18:57, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I commented-out one sentence that I added four days ago that mentioned the new construction described immediately above. I didn't feel comfortable bending the rules, even though I openly admit this whole issue is an example of me making a mountain out of a mole hill. Realistically, It's likely that nobody on wikipedia (besides myself) cares that the crash site, hill and all, will be totally covered soon, without any form of memorial remaining.  Even so, maybe I'll ask the experts at WP:Reliable sources/Noticeboard for guidance about using Google Earth street view as a source.  I just feel, rightly or wrongly, that people reading the article should be aware that a new commercial building has covered the west half the hill. — Itsfullofstars (talk) 01:28, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
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