Talk:United Parcel Service/Archive 2

Ground vs Air network
Should there be some differentiation between the ground and air networks? The example for how a ground package travels is correct, but air (especially 1DA) is handled much differently. I don't work in air operations so I don't know the specifics, but if anyone does it would be great if you could slip this in. ABA 08:37, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Other services
Just wanted to register my hope that this article is added to in order to include information on UPS' other services (especially its so-called "solutions for small businesses") as this is one of UPS' defining characteristics in the 21st century (as well as a couple of other corps such as DHL).

Some great information can be found on the UPS' corporate website, and some interesting tidbits can be found in Thomas Friedman's The World is Flat as well.

Blue Crest 20:35, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

This is not a site for corporate promotion.

Delivery Information Acquisition Device (DIAD)
I think that the main page should include some information on the tablet that all UPS drivers carry. There's some info here: http://www.computerworld.com/networkingtopics/networking/story/0,10801,101629,00.html that details the latest deployment that they are going to do, and another write up that compares thier approach with FedEx: http://www.cio.com/archive/060104/ups.html

Remote VPN Access Link?
Why is the UPS remote VPN access link in that article? AFAIK, that website is private. It also does not add anything to the article.Ryan 14:01, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Good call, it should go. Shortfuse 05:24, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

System Design
Ok, I've been looking at this article for a while, making a few tweaks here and there, but that huge list of hubs and center codes is an eyesore. I'd like to test the waters for moving that list to its own article. Adamkik 09:27, 15 September 2006 (UTC)


 * No response, so I decided to be bold and created United Parcel Service hubs. I moved the hub list tables to that article and linked to it in the System Design section.  Adamkik 06:03, 19 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Good idea, I think it looks better this way. :-) --Shortfuse 23:45, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Edits by UPS Employees
Today a UPS employee, using IP address 153.2.246.30, removed the entire crtics section from this article without consenus. According to ARIN, the IP address 153.2.246.30 traces back to UPS, meaning the edit was probably made by one of thier employees and judging by the content removed, in an attempt to remove information that they disagreed with in an attempt to whitewash the company. I reverted the edit and warned the user for vandalisim. Looks like we'll need to keep an eye out for this in the future, if this thing read like a PR flyer before it looks like a few would like to restore that reading. --Shortfuse 23:44, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Are employees of a company (members of a club, performers in a band, etc.) supposed to refrain from editing articles about said group, or should they just be extra careful to stay neutral in their edits? Adamkik 03:54, 21 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Hmm, good question. From what I can find, I think it's OK to edit articles about your group, as long as you tread carefully...  Autobiography talks about editing articles about yourself, and there is a little more info at Biographies of living persons (and the very similar Articles about ongoing enterprises).  Hope this helps. --Galaxiaad 04:59, 21 September 2006 (UTC)


 * No, they can still edit but they should ensure 1). that their edits reflect consensus and 2). at least try to look like they are being unbiased. When you review this user's edit history, he was also warned for putting "UPS IS A GOOD COMPANY" into the article as the third paragraph. Not exactly what one would call NPOV. I would say that anytime an employee of a company removes all information about said company which could be considered negative without seeking comment on the talk page first is really pushing the envelope to as great degree. --Shortfuse 15:04, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

I’m new to participating in discussion pages but am aware of Wikipedia’s policies and guidelines and will abide by them. I understand the notion of maintaining NPOV and to that end I won’t directly edit any UPS-related page. I’ll strictly participate and make suggestions here on the talk pages, and will update this text if that changes for any reason. -- Cp ups (talk) 17:48, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I’m Craig, and I’m in the Communications department at UPS. I’m here to assist with any information requests, proposals, or factual clarifications that I might be in a good position to help resolve. I’ve read the history of edits and discussion here, and know that there has been UPS employee participation that’s been viewed as helpful to the page, and some that’s been viewed as problematic.

No mention of SonicAir
This entry makes no mention of UPS's SonicAir service (which is a same day service). --Navstar 16:50, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Pending aircraft
UPS has firm orders for some Airbus 380's and Boeing 747-400, but they have not accepted delivery. Until the aircraft are delivered, I don't think they should be listed in the fleet. Squid S K (1MC•log) 19:07, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Manufacturers of package cars
In the trivia section it's mentioned that Grumman Olson is the manufacturer of all the package cars... this isn't true anymore. UPS has some new Freightliner trucks (with large package car bodies (longer than P13s), not Sprinter-style) that they use as well. Should this be changed? ABA 21:25, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Brown Cafe Forum for UPS employees, retirees and shareowners
I understand and appreciate that spam is an eternal problem for wikipedia editors but respectfully request that you reconsider the link placement to the Brown Cafe forum as appropriate to the United Parcel Service article. The forum is not new, it was established by UPS employees in 1999 as a privately operated resource for UPS employee and shareowners. In my opinion wikipedia should not use this type of page for distribution of corporate pr information but could also allow outside resources which are completely on topic.

I have reviewed the external link guidelines and believe that this link is appropriate for and valuable addition to the subject matter.Styleanddesign 20:57, 19 February 2007 (UTC)


 * It is not a question of appropriateness or the quality of your webpages. My complaint about the external browncafe.com and conductdisorders.com links are that they are both owned by User talk:Styleanddesign (you). This sort of self promotion violates Wikipedia policy. If some other member of this discussion page wants to add a browncafe.com link then that would be fine by me. (Requestion 22:17, 19 February 2007 (UTC))


 * I'm not super familiar with the external links policy, but Brown Cafe is a pretty popular site, and the most popular forum for talking about UPS (mostly employees). So it's not just Styleanddesign trying to promote his/her own site.  (I think unofficial sites are mostly barred from external links when they violate copyright, right?  And this doesn't.)  OK, after looking at the policy... er... guideline, it says "discussion forums" are normally to be avoided in external links.  So I guess maybe it shouldn't be linked, although the site is a bit more than a forum. --Galaxiaad 23:45, 19 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I have reverted my removal of the browncafe.com link. I made a bad judgement call. Sorry for any harm I caused. (Requestion 17:39, 21 February 2007 (UTC))

Ground network
As someone who has been interested in how packages move and who has been interested in rail transport, I thought it might be worthwhile to start assembling a list of routes that UPS uses rail transport on. According to a US News and World Report article: "'Whenever we have a package sent via our ground service that's going to run 700 miles or more, we will always look for a railroad option,' says UPS spokesman Norman Black. 'It is the most efficient and environmentally effective way to move that kind of distance.'"

I'm putting it here because it's just a baby project and I didn't want to stuff it in the main article without seeing if it was worth including.


 * BNSF Z-WSPRIC: Willow Springs, IL (Chicago Area Consolidated Hub, Hodgkins, IL) to Richmond, CA (North Bay Hub, North Bay, CA)
 * BNSF Z-MEMRIC (and Z-RICMEM?): Memphis, TN to Richmond, CA
 * BNSF Z-WSPLAC (and Z-LACWSP?) : Willow Springs, IL to Los Angeles, CA (Vernon, CA--not listed in hub list)
 * BNSF Z-WSPSBD (and Z-SBDWSP?): Willow Springs, IL to San Bernardino (?--I do not think this is a UPS train)
 * BNSF Z-LACNYC: Los Angeles, CA to New York City(?) via Willow Springs and Norfolk Southern Ashland Avenue yard?
 * CSX Q109/Q110/Q158 North Bergen, NJ to Willow Springs, IL
 * NS ??? (transfer run) Willow Springs, IL to NS Chicago Ashland Avenue yard?
 * (not sure of the rail codes) 1 trailer per day from LEXKY to EDINJ via Avon, IN railyard (suburb of Indianapolis). Trailer departs Lexington, KY ca 2300 M-F and arrives at Avon, IN railyard ca. 0300 and departs Avon ca. 0430.

There seems to be a lot of random info (mostly on amateur pages) on these trains if you plug in their identifying codes into Google, but finding new routes isn't easy. But I thought I'd put my findings here to see if this is worth pursuing. cluth 12:40, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Also, FYI, in many areas of the country UPS hubs have their night sort on M-F (the Friday sort is to allow extra time to get the packages from the Hubs to the outlying centers). In some areas they are done S-T (to sync with rail schedules).

Intro
Anyone think this intro is a bit long? Information in almost all the paragraphs seem to be too in-depth for a general overview of the company. I would recommend re-writing most of the paragraphs except for the first into individual sections perhaps Vehicles Used, Corporate Acquisitions, and Competitors. The bit about the logo could be moved to history.

Thoughts?

Lasdlt 23:08, 15 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Agreed. So I moved all the "on this date, XYZ" info down to the history section where it belongs. The lead looks much more like a concise summary now. --shift6 20:33, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Fuel economy section
Is the Fuel Economy section necessary? This seems like superfluous information that is just serving to bulk up the article. --Squid S K (1MC•log) 05:42, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Removed section regarding Canadian fees
Even after some attempt to remove POV language, this section still included strong POV language such as, What makes the entire process infuriating for the buyer, and ''Therefore, the Canadian buyer is usually in for a very rude awakening. It takes the buyer completely by surprise as even a relatively inexpensive item like a $10 CD may end up costing the buyer 3-5 times that amount.'' In addition, all the claims made were unreferenced bar a UPS fee schedule. While this section may or may not contain substantially correct information, it is not in keeping with Wiki policy in its current form and requires a substantial re-write. Warm regards, -- Great walk Talk 10:35, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Ups-logo.gif
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BetacommandBot 11:25, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

I have uploaded a complete (with the TM) low resolution UPS logo, and posted a fair use note. I am a UPS employee, though not in legal or communications, so I can't make any legal statements on fair use, but I do work in graphics and used a vector master to produce the lo res PNG so that it is accurate and complete. - Obereon 18:45, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Opium ?
I would like to see this actually referenced as a FACT? UPS' site says they delivered many items Gnew18 00:41, 20 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I'd say its spam untill proven otherwise. - Redmess (talk) 07:44, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Do not merge UPS with UPS Airlines
UPS Airlines contains a lot of different information. All Air Lines contain there own page...thats like saying Delta should be merged with Comair or United Airlines should be merged with United Express. UPS Airlines is official name of the airline. The airline is not called UPS. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.130.195.124 (talk) 04:10, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree, the merge tags have been there since June and nobody has done it. Removing them. -- Hawaiian717 02:02, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

UPS Supply Chain Solutions
UPS first purchased Fritz Companies, a fairly large freight forwarder and shortly thereafter changed the name to UPS Supply Chain Solutions (went through several "trial" runs with the name before this one stuck... Fritz, A UPS Company, UPS Freight Services, etc.). Then a few years later after UPS was well into the "heavy freight" market they then purchased Menlo.

Seems odd that this detail would have been overlooked since it was my understanding that Fritz Companies was quite large perhaps even bigger then Menlo.

I worked for all these companies and was there throughout the whole transition, perhaps these details are not very public?... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jplespaul (talk • contribs) 13:31, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Ups-logo.gif
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 * Placed the FUR notice in the proper place, using Template Commercial logo rationale. Lasdlt (talk) 22:44, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

"Fees for Canadians" section
Most of the references given for this section appear to be message board posts (i.e. emphatically not reliable sources. Is there any coverage in reliable sources to indicate that this section is notable enough criticism to merit its inclusion (and size) in this article? JavaTenor (talk) 07:25, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I have added a reliable source now in the form of a CBC article. Even though the article is a little dated, it is still very accurate and relevant today. And the section is perfect with respect to its length. It discusses succinctly not only how the fees can be a headache for consumers but also how to get around it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.54.78.236 (talk) 00:06, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Earn and Learn
Any mention of the history of the earn and learn program. From what I understand this thing has been around a long time, I just used it for a quarter myself and it's the only way I can stand the job of sorting mail. Info on how much total has been contributed to the working man's college fun may prove interesting. --75.172.93.132 (talk) 10:19, 5 February 2008 (UTC)