Talk:United States Air Force Pararescue

Link needs changing
Sorry for posting this here but I'm a real newb to wikis. I noticed that in the WWII section, there is a link to headhunter. The page that it links to talks about headhunters in the bounty hunter sense, while the context seems to indicate the headhunter in the tribal sense: headhunting. I'm not sure how to make this internal link while maintaining the current link heading, headhunter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.23.66.70 (talk) 19:25, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Style/Second Person
I noticed under the "Pararescue teams and structure" section that it is predominantly in the second person, but stylistically shouldn't it be in the third person for an encyclopedic article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tonytnnt (talk • contribs) 10:19, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Great page!!!
Wonderful page. Has a coupla errors, and needs some more info. Now that I know about it, I'll help.

PJs
I've also heard PJ being short for 'Pararescue Journeyman'. Anybody else? -Lordraydens 20:00, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

-I've never run across that in my research or in my conversations with the PJs I know. NetSerfer 00:28, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

ah, i must be thinking of a 5-level PJ -Lordraydens 07:31, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

pjcountry.blogspot.com
I would like to initiate comms with the chief editor of this page.. Are you a PJ? I am currently assigned to the 306th RQS in Tucson... I would like to discuss the addition of a link to your PJ page. I am new to this. Forgive me for placing my link prematurely on the site... Lets chat.. Out..Checky

pjcountry@gmail.com —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.231.143.22 (talk) 02:38, 5 January 2007 (UTC).


 * I added a link to your blog under External links. It appears to provide a unique resource and I contacted the previous editors who had removed it recommending that it remain.  No guarantees but I think it adds value to this article.  This is the correct method for posting a link to your own website - place an entry in the talk page and let another editor add it.  Good luck to you guys! Calltech 00:59, 6 January 2007 (UTC)


 * The only thing the link 'adds' is the notion that the authors are both Pararescuers. I don't think there is anyway to confirm this and it doesn't make this link any more appealing anyhow. You notice the Aviator article's external links is not littered with blog links from pilots. Blogs are not reliable sources (WP:RS) and unless there is a specific post that reveals some specific, encyclopedic, and verifiable information that can't be found anywhere else, it shouldn't be in the externals links section. Please, read WP:EL, WP:NOT, and WP:RS for policies on all of this before adding or re-adding blogs to articles as external links. JoeSmack Talk 01:36, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Well Joe Smack... If you knew anything about Pararescue you would know that we are a very small/elite community and those who claim to be but arent actually PJ's are quickly identified and shunned buy the community. I am a PJ, look me up if you would like, the site might give it away though.. all of the pictures...maybe... I have recieved hundreds of emails thanking me for my site and what it offers to those who want accurate information about Pararescue.. That is what people come to wikipedia for; accurate information. I am providing a significant service to those seeking information regarding Pararescue.... Calltech..thanks..

Checky..Pjcountry...


 * this seems to be in violation of WP:OR also it is a blog so see also WP:NOT under "Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought", it doesnt matter if it's accurate as we can't tell that by any objective means, hope this helps DanielT5 05:02, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

FWIW: I'm the originator and primary contributor to this article. While I don't see any particular value in adding the PJCountry blog link, I don't see any harm in it either. There are plenty of articles that have referential links to the communities the article is reporting on. This article has several like that as well (i.e.: The links to the Pararescue Organization and SpecialTactics.com). My vote is to allow inclusion. No, I'm not a PJ, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. NetSerfer 00:18, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks very much.. I appreciate it and so do my viewers... One thing though.. The label for the link you have says PJ blog by a PJ and a former PJ.. I wonder of you might change it.. Both myslef and the other contributor are current PJ's. I got out of the military in 1998 but returned in 2003.. We are both currently assigned to the 306th RQS in Tucson.. If you could make that update to the label "link" I would owe you!! .. Those holiday inns are great.... Oh one last thing.. If you wanted to confirm any of the info about me or the other contributor let me know. I can get access to records if you need them.. Thank you again and Hoo Yah!! Checky
 * Checky, you want to help out? Why not add some info to the organization and structure section. I can barely keep up with how my unit is organized; I have no hope of understanding Pararescue! I gather you're not too familiar with Wikipedia, so don't worry too much about the formatting; just click the 'Edit' tab on the section and put some stuff in. Someone will make it pretty later. NetSerfer 02:31, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey you got it brother.. Give me a little while and I'll take care of you.. I will get with some of the old school veterans from the careerr field and have them help out with some good history as well.. Ill be in touch
 * Appreciated! And if you talk to George Miller or Bill Preble, tell them "Hi from CadetStuff". NetSerfer 23:44, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Are you kidding me.. Bill Prebel.. You know that guy? He and I just hung out a few weeks ago... I will be sure to let him know.. Also.. I wanted to apologize for not entering any info on the site. I am a bit overwhelmed with school right now. I’m studying for the MCAT. When I get time I will jump on the site and start typing..

Question
Are Pararescuemen also pilots?

Absolutely not.. Your're kidding right?

PJ's are not pilots, although there have been a few old-timers who may have unofficial stick time. Also several PJ's have gotten their pilot rating, but on their own, or after they received a commission and became military pilots. Heavydpj (talk) 16:31, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Men?
Pararescuemen? Seems a bit sexist to me. If that's what they're really called, fine, but aren't there any women at all? Seems like that's not NPOV.

There are no women PJs so i don't see how pararescuemen could be considered sexist.

It isn't sexist.

Pararescuemen are trained in first aid and rescue but are also elite soliders as well. Sence the US Millitary doesn't have female soilders it is not sexiest

The term "Pararescuemen" is not sexist, as there are currently no females permitted in the career field at this time. Heavydpj (talk) 16:30, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

No. While the word man or men can be used to distinguish a male human being, it also refers to a humans in general. Manpower, Airman, mankind, these words have nothing to do with sex or gender unless contextually specified as such. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.60.231.114 (talk) 05:43, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Adding material
Net Surfer or whoever it may concern

I have added some material which was researched and written by a veteran PJ as well as our unofficial PJ historian.. Let me know if you want the references and how I should get them to you.. Checky —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.211.146.110 (talk) 22:51, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Dont know if this the way to do it but here are the references...

Historical Report: Air Rescue Service, 1 January 1947 to 30 June 1947, pp. 30-34. Historical Report: Air Rescue Service, 1 July 1947 to 31 December 1947, pp. 10, 15, 20, 22, 25, 26, 28. MAC/CSEH (ARRS). War: The Concept of Aerial Rescue, pp. 134-136. Francis M. Dawdy, SMSgt Ret., Pararescue Superintendent; Service Period, 1942-69; Interview with author, 1 Jan 94. B-29 Overdue at Ladd Field, all available planes alerted; Fairbanks Daily News-Miner; 24 Dec 47, p. 1. Hope Dwindle for lost B-29 pair, Paratroopers; Superfortress rescue told by Nome man; Search Suspended; Fairbanks Daily News-Miner; 31 Dec 47. Five lost airman still hunted; Fairbanks Daily News-Miner; 2 Jan 48, p. 1. Fantastically inaccurate aerial maps partially blamed for superfort crackup; Fairbanks Daily News-Miner; 3 Jan 48, p. 1.  Missing 'chutist named; Fairbanks Daily News-Miner; 6 Jan 48, p. 2.  Squadron sends $1,000 to widow of paratroop hero; Fairbanks Daily News-Miner; 10 Jan 48, p. 2.  Dog Driver in Nome after rescue effort; Fairbanks Daily News-Miner; 10 Jan 48, p. 6. 'Where did you guys come from?' greets rescuers of airman; Flyer spots paratrooper; Anchorage Daily Times; 31 Dec 47, p. 1.  Dog teams to be sent out to bring back survivors; Anchorage Daily Times; 29 Dec 47, p. 1. Paratrooper's body is found; Anchorage Daily Times; 6 Jan 48, p. 1.   Funeral services held for rescue paratrooper; Anchorage Daily Times; 7 Jan 48, p. 3.  Find traces of paratrooper; Anchorage Daily Times; 10 Jan 48, p. 1.  Bodies of airmen recovered; Fairbanks Daily News-Miner; 13 Jan 48, p. 1.  Saga of the “clobbered turkey” ended; The Nome Nugget; 5 Jul 48, p. 1, 2. Bush pilot locates paramedic killed in rescue attempt; Anchorage Daily Times; 3 Jul 48, p. 8. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.211.146.110 (talk) 22:55, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Shugart & Gordon reference
I removed this becuase thy were not PJ's they were Delta Force

Two pararescuemen took part in the rescue of Army Rangers and aircrewmen wounded and killed in a helicopter crash during the Battle of Mogadishu in Somalia, with their actions depicted in the movie Black Hawk Down.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Feickus (talk • contribs) 07:41, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Those two were Delta operators, however, the USAF 24th Special Tactics Squadron is listed as having Combat Controllers and Pararescuemen (as well as ST6 citing 4 Navy SEALs) involved in the 1st Battle of Mog.


 * FWIW, according to (the admittedly simplified Discovery show) Surviving the Cut, they were mainly Pararescumen. Autocorrelation (talk) 19:57, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

indoc length
Indoc length is 9 Weeks (1 admin/8 training) as of the last fiscal year my source is: http://www.specialtactics.com/pjclassdates.shtmlAaron mcd (talk) 00:04, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Some facts you may consider
PJs are now part of an Air Force Weapon System called Guardian Angel (GA). GA includes CROs and SERE.

GA are primilarly owned by Air Combat Command and chopped over to AFSOC. Therefore your text should put ACC first and then AFSOC.

The "That Others May Live" motto is an Air Force motto not just AFRCC. There is also a charity called That Others May Live Foundation (TOML) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.14.178.125 (talk) 06:21, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Notable Pararescuemen.
Two things.

1. Why is a CCT listed here? Not to lesten Chapmans heroism, but he was a Combat Controler, not a Pararescueman, and as such does not belong on this page. 2. Why was Tim Wilkinsen removed from the list?

It's been fixed Heavydpj (talk) 20:17, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Missing 56RQS
Missing the 56th Rescue Squadron, Previously stationed at NAS Keflavik, and currently at RAF Lakenheath as per this Wiki Entry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/56th_Rescue_Squadron 68.229.4.37 (talk) 02:37, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Usage of the word "comical"
Paragraph five under "World War Two" states: "Early operations were comical, but in early 1943 May sent two volunteers..."

It seems that using the word comical to describe the initial efforts of those men is somewhat disrespectful. One could describe their work as crude or ineffective but comical implies laughable, laughing at their attempts to perform the dangerous work required to save others. 138.32.11.245 (talk) 16:02, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Poser keeps putting in his fake stuff
Someone keeps adding the following text under "notable PJ's"


 * Senior Airman Joseph R. Weeks was awarded the Silver Star for his heroic actions under fire during Classified Operation in Nicaraguan when the Sandinista National Liberation Front took power in 1979 and Anastasio Somoza Debayle fled the country and eventually ended up in Paraguay . The details of this operation are still Classified to this day.

There is not, and never has been a PJ named Joseph R. Weeks, let alone one who was awarded a Silver Star for a purported mission in Nicaragua."

If anyone happens to see that reappear before I do, please assume that you have the blessings of the PJ community and the PJ Association to remove the reference in it's entirety.

Heavydpj (talk) 20:22, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

UPDATE: One contributor, However, there is still no record of Mr. Weeks on the PJ roster. Further, a FOIA request has not been able to find anyone named Joseph R. Weeks who was a ever a Pararescueman. Heavydpj (talk) 21:09, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Is it possible to compile a list of the IPs this guy has been editing under? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.68.142.48 (talk) 23:12, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

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