Talk:United States government in Jericho

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which 21 states

 * what is the deal for Hawaii and Alaska are they part of the Allied States or independent or did the show forget about them? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.112.121.29 (talk) 17:18, 17 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Did the show ever confirm (via a map or dialog that Louisiana is with the western states? I know that they said all 21 states west of the Mississippi, but the 21st could be Alaska.  Since Louisiana 1) straddles the river, 2) has always been closely allied with the rest of the southern gulf states, and 3) is east of Texas, I assumed it was with the eastern bloc. —MJBurrage(T•C) 15:29, 22 March 2008 (UTC)


 * On another hand, Louisiana would be especially valuable to the ASA, as its only outlet to the Atlantic. —Tamfang (talk) 07:34, 16 May 2008 (UTC)


 * The map is almost certainly wrong. The show mentioned that Jennings and Rall is rebuilding the Alaskan pipeline.  That pretty much puts Alaska in as one of the 21 ASA states.  As I noted above—given the split the show suggests—Louisiana is much more likely to stay with the south rather than go with the west, especially if Texas is neutral.
 * That still leaves Hawaii an open question, and if Hawaii is an ASA state than which state west of the Mississippi (other than Texas and Louisiana) is not? —MJBurrage(T•C) 21:11, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd guess Arkansas. —Tamfang (talk) 08:49, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

As far as the knowledge goes, Alaska and Hawaii are on there own and have not taken sides yet, it is plausible however to say that they could either federate with the ASA or at least be allies to them. - Seriona

the "original" USA
(I haven't seen any of the second season.) I'm a bit bothered that the Columbus regime is described here as the "original" USA. It has the "real" President, okay, but apart from that does it have any more institutional continuity than the ASA? —Tamfang (talk) 07:30, 16 May 2008 (UTC)


 * How about the fact that it still follows the USA's law and order? -Seriona —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.116.17.149 (talk) 17:22, 5 January 2009 (UTC)


 * If by that you mean preserving the Bill of Rights – that's not decisive in my opinion. The "original" regime could go bad and a revolutionary regime elsewhere might do a better job of upholding its ideals, but that wouldn't make the latter "original".  Does Columbus have a Congress, for example?  —Tamfang (talk) 21:19, 5 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Of course it does, the USA government is still legal under any international law. - Seriona —Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.130.185.110 (talk) 21:00, 11 March 2009 (UTC)


 * But the question is precisely whether any existing entity is "the USA government". In international law, the debts incurred and treaties made by a former regime apply to any successor that controls the same territory; but I don't know if this rule applies to successor states that control only part of the territory.
 * After the bombs and before the shakeout, several entities claimed to be the legitimate remnant of USG; we don't know that Columbus had the best claim, only that it was the last claimant. A third season would likely involve diplomacy in San Antonio, which would give clues about the world's view of Columbus. —Tamfang (talk) 05:40, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

East India Trading Company?
In the Allied States section, there is the sentence that says, "The Allied States of America promotes itself as being born of a desire to create a much stronger government, but in reality it is a corporatocracy (like the East India Trading Company) with J&R firmly in control." Maybe it should be changed from the Pirates trilogy's East India Trading Co. to the real-life East India Company. ASJ94 (talk) 00:49, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Definitely. I can't believe it wasn't linked to the 'real' thing to begin with. Being WP:BOLD and fixing. Coldmachine Talk 08:25, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

incorrect USA flag?
someone made a new USA flag that shows it with (now) the formation of how many stars it has. Someone should change it to this new flag.

http://jericho.wetpaint.com/page/The+Allied+States+of+America

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Just go to this site and look for USA. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.116.17.149 (talk) 17:22, 4 February 2009 (UTC)


 * You mean the itty-bitty one used as an icon by user drock1? —Tamfang (talk) 06:44, 9 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Its not legite because we don't see it in the show but it would fit what state the US controls.

Accuracy of "American Nations"
In the infobox at the top of the page I changed "Successor States" to "American Nations" but Tamfang changed it to "Successor governments" with the edit summery "the "improvements" reduced accuracy". My opinion is that changing "Successor States" to "American Nations" improved accuracy. How did this reduce accuracy?--Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 17:26, 21 May 2009 (UTC)


 * A nation is a people. Rulers pretend to be 'nations', but if that were accurate then nationalism would be vacuous.  Perhaps you disagree; I won't press the point — but then why American?  If a new government defines a new nation, in what way are these three "nations" American in contrast to Canada, Mexico, Guatemala...?  If on the other hand American means "of the formerly United States", why explicitly specify what's already in the article title?  Finally, removing the word successor loses the vital element of time.  —Tamfang (talk) 17:06, 22 May 2009 (UTC)


 * About what Tamfang said about what nation means, I was unaware of this. I always thought that nation meant country. What would you think of "American Countries". In response to "why American", because "United States" can not be used, United States is the name of one of the american countries. By american I mean former United States.--Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 17:38, 22 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Country has an interesting sentence: "Usually, but not always, a country coincides with a sovereign territory and is associated with a state, nation and government." (Hm, I wonder why it mentions both 'state' and 'government'.)  'Concides with' and 'is associated with' definitely do not mean 'is the same thing as'&thinsp;!  In Jericho the association is in flux, making this a good candidate for 'not always'.  If a citizen of Jericho says "the country" I think it more likely to mean the FUS rather than the ASA.
 * Since the defining feature of the three regions in question is their separate governments, why don't you like that word? —Tamfang (talk) 18:53, 22 May 2009 (UTC)


 * What is the FUS?--Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 19:34, 22 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Formerly United States


 * In response to "removing the word successor loses the vital element of time", it does not, because the infobox would still say "following the nuclear attacks".--Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 17:47, 22 May 2009 (UTC)


 * That's a fair point. I was thinking of another heading. —Tamfang (talk) 18:53, 22 May 2009 (UTC)