Talk:Unity for Gallaudet

Tent Cities
Where can we find information about the tent cities scattered throughout the world, what they are doing and how to set one up?

proper referencing
don't forget to reference statements, and remember - always uses cite.php for doing so. if you are using a news source, use proper news citing. same goes for website citing. don't let all your additions be for not cause you didn't do things properly. JoeSmack Talk (p-review!) 17:52, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Where is the source that backs up the contention the I. King Jordan was advised against the arrests by the DC police? Evilmoo 19:35, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Ryan Commerson
Someone needs to state that Ryan C. is not a student at Gallaudet. He is an outside agitator. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.110.88.102 (talk) 23:00, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually he's an student right now.

Graduate student, if memory serves me correctly. Guernico

Biased
Maybe it's just me, but this article seems very biased towards one side of the controversy. Recommend a complete re-write. Failing that, I recommend deletion. Micahbrwn 20:24, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Firstly, "Gallaudet United Now Movement" cannot be used for the description of this current event as it is only sourced to one side of the controversy. I also recommend deletion. Vapour

I did bit of clean up. I'm rather annoyed that some writing did not reflect the information presented in the cited source. Vapour


 * This is a very hot issue right now; it should not be deleted but refined. NPOV will be worked towards so this article can be kept. JoeSmack Talk (p-review!) 17:43, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Agenda
As an outside observer interested in this controversy, I have to say that this article is remarkably un-edifying as to the issues are that are in dispute. Is it about the interim President per se (i.e. her personality), or what she stands for -- and if the latter, what exactly is it that is objectionable? I raise these questions sincerely, not as someone with any opinion at all actually. It is frankly quite confusing to an outsider, so I respectfully suggest that the nature of the controversy needs to be better articulated by its various proponents and opponents. In short, what is up with this? Arjuna 01:58, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Deaf(culture defined by ASL)/deaf (medical condition defined by disability) thingy. Fernandes want to remove ASL from entrance requrement so Gallaudet is more "inclusive/open" to deaf without ASL ability. Anyway, that's my guess after reading up on this issue. Vapour
 * Well, yes and no, Vapour. You've correctly identified the "deaf vs. Deaf" issue, but that's not really what the protest is about.  Arjuna: Fernandes is not actually the interim President, she is the President-elect, due to start in January 2007.  Although "not deaf enough" was one of the early reasons for the protests, that has been disproven by a number of protesters.  Fernandes's own camp says that she is being protested against because she was raised oralist and supports cochlear implants - but plenty of oralists and CI users have been protesting against her, as well.  So it's not really about her not being Deaf enough, although it is partly about her wanting to change the global center of Deaf culture so that it's a little less "Deaf" and a little more "deaf."


 * The main complaint, though, is this: the search process was flawed. It is widely believed that I. King Jordan (IKJ) chose Fernandes as his successor, and that he may have influenced (consciously or not) the Board of Trustees to choose her.  An example of this is that well before she was announced as winner back in May, IKJ introduced her as "the next President of Gallaudet" rather than "the current Provost of Gallaudet" which was her title at the time.  So many people believe that the search process was unfair.


 * Additionally, the faculty and students have repeatedly given her votes of no confidence. These are not about deaf vs. Deaf or the selection process, but rather expressions of the belief that Fernandes is not able to lead the university effectively.  Back in May this was characterized as "she's not nice enough" but that's just a very elementary way to say that her personality and leadership style do not fit with a university president's style.


 * Finally, there is also misunderstanding about why the students or faculty should have any say at all. After all, no university in the country lets students or faculty pick the president.  But Gallaudet is different because of its role in the Deaf-World.  It's not just a college, it's also arguably the largest center of Deaf culture in the world.  So the president is not just the president of a college, but also a major figure and role model in the global Deaf community.


 * I hope that helps, a bit. -Etoile 18:36, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it does, thanks. I think the article would definitely benefit from somehow incorporating a characterization of this perspective (without editorializing, obviously) -- though to be NPOV, the other side should be there too. But your description helps an outsider such as myself understand what the issues rather than what is reported (often inaccurately) by the major media. So, thanks, Etoile. Aloha, Arjuna 20:55, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Citation
I have checked few cited source. The fact mentioned in the article is not mentioned in cited source. This is bit sleazy IMO. Vapour

Tidying (and FSSA)
Just doing a bit of tidying (during a "random article" sweep.) Could someone elaborate what an FSSA spokesperson is (mentioned in the article.) Wiki gives me Frank Sinatra School of performing Arts. Cheers.Mmoneypenny 21:33, 29 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh, and could somebody explain what happened at the faculty meeting on Oct 16, the (unsubstantiated) fact that is was the biggest ever doesn't really tell the average reader why it's being mentioned.Mmoneypenny 21:48, 29 November 2006 (UTC)


 * The FSSA stands for Faculty, Staff, Students and Alumni. Here is a link to their about page . As for the faculty meeting, here are links for what happened: blog, not as good, gufssa, better. It was mentioned to show how the faculty was a) impassioned on the issue by being the biggest meeting ever and b) the faculty voted overwhelmingly against JKF. Thanks for the copy edit. Anything more would be awesome. Cheers. JoeSmack Talk 22:19, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Move to merge
I move to merge the Gallaudet United Now Movement page to the main Gallaudet University page. Since the protest has ended and Dr. Davila has been appointed interim President, this page has shrunk down to something approaching stub length. Alternatively, I suggest that we severely pare down the 2006 protests section in the Gallaudet University page and refer to this page. --Micahbrwn 05:31, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Merge - I agree with above. No need for a separate article, as the information increasingly becomes historical. Ward3001 05:55, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

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Actually, the proper term is "Unity for Gallaudet" movement, or "UfG"....

Why hasn't this been pointed out before?? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.114.109.21 (talk) 07:50, 29 December 2006 (UTC).

Agreed- that is the proper term. Unity for Gallaudet.

As for the reasons why JFK was not qualifed, it had to do with her long list of failures and alientation of employees as the Dean of the Clerc Center (a K-12 subsidary of Gallaudet University), and as provost of the University. There was several good Washington Post articles that should be cited here, including the exposure of her inciniting letter to the BOT- in which she pretty much "scolded" them for not punishing the protestors. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.54.165.143 (talk) 03:37, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

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I saw no mention of why the students were protesting against the Board's selection of Jane Fernandes, or of Dr. Davila, the alternate that was selected. Firat Yadeshinov

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