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UNEM Ranked 11th in Costa Rica in 2015

Link: http://www.classbase.com/Countries/Costa-Rica/Universities

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UNEM Ranked 42nd in Costa Rica in 2015

Link: http://www.4icu.org/cr/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Musiccafeangela (talk • contribs) 07:22, 8 February 2015 (UTC)


 * I hope this information is helpful for rewriting.^^ Musiccafeangela (talk) 16:34, 8 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your information!

I edited the article, according to the discussion in the talk page.. Please thank and supportRamdiesel (talk) 18:41, 9 February 2015 (UTC)


 * "Edited the article to the discussion in the talk page"? That's a new euphemism for "added unsourced falsehoods and removed reliably sourced content", right? Because that's what you did. Wikipedia is not the place to promote a diploma mill. Huon (talk) 19:57, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * , I'm doubtful that the Classbase ranking is a reliable source, but have added it to the article together with some other rankings which are definitely highly regarded; not surprisingly, this institution is not listed by any of them. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 21:30, 9 February 2015 (UTC)


 * I don't think there's much use in listing various rankings that don't include UNEM. On the other hand, Classbase is anything but a reliable source and shouldn't be used either. "Web rank" is not a useful metric here. Huon (talk) 23:45, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm quite open to reasoned discussion on both points, . There's damned little to say about an institution that seems not to exist. Its web presence is about all it has, and even that is insignificant; that seems to be a point worth making (just). But I'm not wedded to it. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 00:38, 10 February 2015 (UTC)


 * What?? Don't make me laugh, please!

Are you really believe that a small private university in Costa Rica could be listed in the Top 500 universities in the world in the Times / QS or Shanghai Academic Rankings?? I believe that no one would think so. What are your intention to post that?

Actually ALL universities in Costa Rica including those most famous and largest public universities such as Universidad de Costa Rica UCR still not be listed in Top 500/800 universities in the world in the Times / QS or Shanghai Academic Rankings. Is it fair and meaningful to list out UNEM not to be ranked in the TOP 500/800 universities in the world in Times / QS or Shanghai Academic Rankings??

Moreover, I accept that Classbase may not be a good reliable sources as mentioned by Huon, it is a matter for discussion later. But when you doubtful about Classbase ranking is not a reliable source, at the same time, you listed Classbase in the article that UNEM not to be listed in top 100 universities in Latin America. It's interesting that you prefer share out those UNEM haven't, but rejected those UNEM have. You are highly selective the reliable sources you prefer, even those is doubtful for you.

To sum up, you are obviously highly non-neutral editor, with great negative bias and no good intention to UNEM. You just like a dictator, rejected other editors for rewriting the article with consensus in the long discussion above, without valid reasons and discussion with other editors. I feel upset about that... Musiccafeangela (talk) 16:52, 11 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Dear Huon, nice to meet you!

Although I believe that you are supporting diploma mills of UNEM and stand on negative side, I still hope to get your consensus with other editors including me. There are long and deep discussion above, and get a consensus that rewriting is necessary to well representing the school including all elements discussed above. I believe the edition version by Emily.H.Kitty should be better representing the fact, although that maybe not good enough for you. I hope you can provide more hints and suggestion for rewriting the article, instead of reject rewriting. I believe a polite, fair editing environment with consensus with each others through discussion is better than endless edit-warring. Thanks if you can give me opinion about that! Many thanks! Musiccafeangela (talk) 16:51, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

According the talk page, rewrite the article to reflect the truth
It seems, the truth explained by SEVERAL users in the actual talk page for the article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universidad_Empresarial_de_Costa_Rica is been ignored. Please read the facts in the talk page shown by SEVERAL WORLWIDE users. The actual article does NOT reflect what has been discussed here.Ramdiesel (talk) 17:59, 11 February 2015 (UTC)


 * The article shouldn't reflect what a couple of single-purpose accounts want it to say, but what reliable sources report. You don't seriously want to claim the likes of LinkedIn and whatever this is are reliable sources, do you? Your preferred version of the article denotes almost half its content to a list of supposedly "notable" people who don't have any articles, significant third-party coverage or even degrees UNEM is accredited to bestow. Huon (talk) 19:47, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Questionable about Costa Rica Star source
As there are some editors here Repeatedly mentioning the so-called "reliable sources" of Costa Rica Star and Der Spiegel articles, it should be clarify here again. Actually there are deep discussion above between Chan f.c. and WikiDan61 that the Costa Rica Star articles argument about UNEM is just based on a discussion forum without any further explanation and investigation.

Please see reliable source in Wikipedia about Questionable sources. It say: "Such sources include websites and publications expressing views that are widely acknowledged as extremist, that are promotional in nature, or which rely heavily on rumors and personal opinions. Questionable sources are generally unsuitable for citing contentious claims about third parties, which includes claims against institutions, persons living or dead, as well as more ill-defined entities. The proper uses of a questionable source are very limited."

And under Self-published sources (online and paper) of reliable source in Wikipedia, it say: "Anyone can create a personal web page or publish their own book, and also claim to be an expert in a certain field. For that reason self-published media—... Internet forum postings, or tweets—are largely not acceptable."

It clearly Costa Rica Star is Questionable sources which rely heavily on rumors and personal opinions. It cited from a discussion forum "DegreeDiscussion.com" which is Self-published sources. This poorly sourced is not acceptable and should be removed immediately; do not move it to the talk page.Musiccafeangela (talk) 17:29, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

What is your Contribution Justlettersandnumbers?? Erasing someone else contributions??
What is your Contribution Justlettersandnumbers?? Erasing someone else contributions?? I see no help in your edition. No improvement on the articleRamdiesel (talk) 19:15, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Justlettersandnumbers is clearly doing disruptive editing here. Emily.H.Kitty (talk) 03:52, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

About the source of Der Spiegel articles
It should be clarify here again about the source of Der Spiegel, as there are some editors here missed the long discussion above in the talk page.

According to Der Spiegel, the main meaning of this article is to indicate the "Title mills" happened in Germany that people in Germany abused title related to UNEM, but not "Diploma mills". The investigation by Der Spiegel only mentioned "people can gain honorary doctorate and an honorary professorship through donation", and Germany people abused the title of honorary doctorate to do illegal business. This is not the fault of UNEM, but Germany people do.

As there are a deep discussion above to describe the nature and use of "honorary doctorate and an honorary professorship", this is not the case of "diploma mills".

And Der Spiegel did mentioned they could not found the teachers name in the UNEM website, and could not found the new building address of UNEM at those time only.Musiccafeangela (talk) 17:55, 13 February 2015 (UTC)


 * This is a gross misrepresentation of what Der Spiegel - the most reputable work of investigative journalism in Germany - reports. For example, it quotes the leader of Germany's Central Office for Foreign Educational Institutions (Zentralstelle für ausländisches Bildungswesen) who says that according to her information UNEM does not have any premises. "In this context it's difficult to understand under which circumstances local courses [Präsenzveranstaltungen] are held there." Der Spiegel also reports that they found the address given on the university website - it's the shed depicted in the article, and the landlady didn't know of any university, although she confirmed that UNEM President William Zamora had represented a foundation that operated under that address. Der Spiegel furthermore links that shed to a YouTube video from 2009 promoting UNEM. Finally it reports that Zamora confirmed that UNEM was indeed housed in that building, though it would move somewhere else soon; Zamora refused to give the new address despite repeated questions from Der Spiegel. So much for "could not found the teachers name in the UNEM website, and could not found the new building address of UNEM at those time only"; that's not even close to what Der Spiegel actually says.
 * Regarding "title mill", Der Spiegel reports that they were offered - for sale - honorary doctoral and professoral degrees by UNEM, and that while UNEM in 2004 was accredited for three courses of business administration, accredition does not cover distance learning, and that most Germans who wield UNEM-granted titles have ones that come from an unaccredited distance learning course. Wielding such a UNEM-granted title in Germany may be considered abuse of titles. Now arguably it's the Germans' own fault if they try to wield a UNEM-granted title that's not recognized in Germany, but selling people unearned, unaccredited, useless degrees certainly isn't a high point of academic ethics.
 * While I'm disagreeing with Musiccafeangela, her summary of the Costa Rica Star article is similary wrong. The Costa Rica Star is not just quoting some rumors from third parties, it reports, in its own voice, that "the infamous Universidad Empresarial de Costa Rica (UNEM) [...] has been embroiled in a series of diploma mill scandals involving students that paid money for a degree that they did not earn through studies or academic competence." It links to a discussion forum, but the Costa Rica Star itself is a reputable newspaper with editorial oversight and is far more reliable than any of the sources Musiccafeangela would prefer in its stead, including LinkedIn or Blogspot-hosted blogs. Huon (talk) 19:04, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
 * That is a very clear summary of the Spiegel article, – thank you! I'd support adding the gist of it to the page, if you feel so inclined. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:42, 13 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Welcome to discussion here, instead of edit warring or disruptive editing to prohibit other editors contributions! However, I don't agree with you about the description of Der Spiegel you mentioned.

Although the article mentioned a landlady didn't know of any university for the address given on the university website, this is not equal to the university had non-legitimate campus. I believe that UNEM is a small university located in an sub-urban of San Jose, and not many people had interest to know his name and location. At the time of 2008, Der Spiegel reported that the President Zamora said "though it would move somewhere else soon" and refused to give the new address despite repeated questions from Der Spiegel. It is clearly because the new campus address not yet confirm at that time. I don't think Zamora need to hide the new campus address at that time. And in the English translation version by google of the Der Spiegel article, it only mentioned "On their website, there are no detailed information on courses or university management still images from the campus, as no names of teachers are called. On the Internet there are different addresses." It clearly said that they could not found the teachers names on their website only, but not "failed to find any professors associated with UNEM". Sum it up, "A 2008 investigation by Der Spiegel failed to find any legitimate campus or professors associated with UNEM." is not of what Der Spiegel actually said.

Regarding "title mill", this is the title of the article of "Der Spiegel". The article mentioned:"people can gain honorary doctorate and an honorary professorship through donation" and Germany people abused the title of honorary doctorate to do illegal business. Firstly, throughout the article I cannot find that there are mentioned any people in Germany had granted BBA, MBA or PhD in BA by research academic qualification. All the "title" is related to "honorary doctorate and honorary professorship". According to the leader of Germany's Central Office for Foreign Educational Institutions (Zentralstelle für ausländisches Bildungswesen), Susanne Schwägerl, who said:"The honorary doctorates and honorary professorship 'UNEM' previously presented here were acquired as part of international distance learning courses and could, if only for this reason, in Germany not be recommended for the guidance". But in the discussion above, "honorary doctorates and honorary professorship" should "waived the usual requirements, such as matriculation, residence, study and the passing of examinations". Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honorary_degree. It should not necessary to be accredited by any accreditation agency, because of its "Award" nature, but not an academic qualification. Moreover, the article mentioned UNEM was accredited for three courses of business administration in 2004 only, but this is obviously Wrong. The accreditation has been renewed in 2013 in CONESUP and until now still listed in. Link: http://www.mep.go.cr/sites/default/files/oferta_academica/38-EMPRESARIAL.pdf. According to Article 8 of Costa Rican law 6693-81, it establishes that "once its operation has been authorized, any private university shall enjoy total liberty to develop its academic activities and curriculum as well as its study plans and the establishment of degree programs"... Appearance of a degree on the "Carreras Aprobadas" ("Approved Careers/Courses") list published by the Consejo Nacional de Educacion Superior (Conesup) does only indicate that a given degree is recognized as entrance qualification to a specific professional career. This however does not diminish the validity of any degree, awarded by a fully accredited private university, which does not appear on the list." Link: http://www.tititudorancea.com/z/universidad_cristiana_del_sur.htm#rfA1. That means all the course that does not listed in the CONESUP are legally to develop and operate. Although accreditation does not cover distance learning by CONESUP, but the "title mills" mentioned in the Der Spiegel article is talking about "honorary doctorates and honorary professorship" that is not an academic qualification in nature. You can see in the Der Spiegel had been mentioned that: "In Germany allowed a doctor or honorary doctorate degree, awarded by a university outside the EU are generally performed only in the original form conferred under clearly understandable indication of the lending institution."

For the Costa Rica Star, it is an online news publication that was founded in December 2011 by a Canadian citizen living in Costa Rica. It is a very new online news publication only, and the article you mentioned is on August 12, 2013, one and half years after Costa Rica Star established. There are a small paragraph describe UNEM, an "infamous (UNEM) [...] has been embroiled in a series of diploma mill scandals involving students that paid money for a degree that they did not earn through studies or academic competence." that quoted from a discussion forum without any further investigation. It obviously did not seem enough own investigation about the so-called "diploma mill scandals", but only based on his subjective feelings about what discussion forum says. I don't see any "reputable newspaper" with "editorial oversight". I only see a "very new online news publication found by a Canadian citizen living in Costa Rica" with "subjective feelings". Moreover, discussion forum is Self-published sources (online and paper) and self-published media—... Internet forum postings, or tweets— are largely not acceptable. Any news based on a Rumor or false information without any further investigation will not become a truth.

I agree with you that any source from LinkedIn or Blogspot-hosted blogs is not suitable source and should be removed immediately. But for the actual meaning of Der Spiegel and the Questionable source of Costa Rica Star should be rectified and removed.

Many thanks for your help! Musiccafeangela (talk) 08:36, 21 February 2015 (UTC)


 * It's "obvious" that Zamora didn't give the new address "because the new campus address not yet confirm at that time"? Really? What's obvious to anybody who can read and understand the Der Spiegel article is that Zamora claimed "man werde zunächst in San José und im April dann in ein neues Gebäude in der Region Montes de Oca umziehen, das gerade gebaut werde" - "one was about to move first within San José and in April into a new building in the Montes de Oca region which was currently under construction". How can the address of a building that was under construction at that time be unconfirmed?
 * What's also obvious is that you continue to misrepresent the Der Spiegel article. For example:
 * The article mentioned:"people can gain honorary doctorate and an honorary professorship through donation" and Germany people abused the title of honorary doctorate to do illegal business.
 * What's the original German text that you tried to translate and summarize here? The quote is not the translation of any part of the Der Spiegel article, and it does not mention illegal business - beyond the illegal wielding of UNEM-granted degrees. Instead, it says:
 * Der costa-ricanische Privathochschulrat hat aber nicht einmal Doktorandenstudiengänge der UNEM akkreditiert. "Die 'UNEM' ist daher nicht berechtigt, Doktor- oder Ehrendoktortitel zu verleihen", so Susanne Schwägerl von der Zentralstelle. In English: But the Costa Rican Council of Private Universities [CONESUP] hasn't even accredited doctoral courses of UNEM. "The 'UNEM' thus is not permitted to award doctoral or honorary doctoral degrees", said Susanne Schwägerl of the Central Office [for Foreign Educational Institutions, the German institution that deals with foreign universities and degrees].
 * Selling only "honorary" degrees makes UNEM no less a diploma mill, and not every John Doe can legally bestow honorary degrees of that kind. However, the Central Office also had this to say:
 * "Die 'UNEM' bietet neben Präsenzstudiengängen auch Fernstudiengänge an. Fernstudiengänge sind vom 'CONESUP' nicht akkreditiert. Daher sind Abschlüsse, die per Fernstudiengang erworben wurden, in Deutschland nicht anerkennungsfähig. Die hier eingereichten Abschlüsse der 'UNEM' wurden fast ausschließlich im Rahmen eines nicht akkreditierten Präsenzstudiengangs oder eines Fernstudiengangs 'erworben'." In English: "The 'UNEM' besides presence learning courses [Präsenzstudiengänge] also offers distance learning courses. Distance learning courses are not accredited by 'CONESUP'. Thus degrees earned via a distance learning course cannot be acknowledged in Germany. The degrees of 'UNEM' submitted here were almost exclusively 'earned' in the context of a non-accredited presence learning course or a distance learning course."
 * So those degrees were "earned" (scare quotes in original) in the context of a course of some kind, not honorary degrees. Huon (talk) 13:27, 21 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Dear Huon, thanks for your information. I believe that the more truth is debated the clearer it becomes.

The first thing I want to reply is that I don't know German text. I use "GOOGLE translate" English version to read and understand what the Der Spiegel article says.

Firstly, I agree that UNEM President William Zamora had replied that in April UNEM to move a new building in the Montes de Oca region. But in "GOOGLE translate" English version, it says: "Zamora said in November on request, the UNEM still was in the building; you will first then move to San Jose and in April in a new building in the region of Montes de Oca, that will just built." Actually it is common that a new building that "will just built" have No building name at that time, even not yet have street number. Is it easy for you to find a construction site address every time? For me, it is not easy. Is it say that Zamora was lying? I am not sure. But you should not to define that Zamora was lying just because he could not provide the detailed new campus address at that time. Actually in Der Spiegel, it only reported that they could not found the new building address of UNEM at that time.

Regarding what I mentioned before: "people can gain honorary doctorate and an honorary professorship through donation" is come from "GOOGLE translate" English version. In the seventh paragraph (forth paragraph under heading "Wo ist sie nur, die Universität?"), it says: "But who contacted the UNEM by e-mail, also receives an unusual requests quickly and efficiently help about this: "I urgently need a doctor and a professor Money is not a problem, can you help me in any way..?" William Zamora replied: "We can offer you an honorary doctorate and an honorary professorship, if you agree, we need a donation from you Remember, these are two documents, so there must be a significant donation.." It clearly stated that "people can gain honorary doctorate /professorship through donation". And in the twelfth paragraph (the paragraph under heading "Strafverfahren wegen Titelmissbrauchs"), in "GOOGLE translate" English version mentioned: "...A. Volker, who with his investment firm of A. & Partner addition to the "outsourcing of payroll taxes intensive businesses such as Lithuania, Poland, Andorra" and "'Inkasso' exchange of something' different kind ' !!! " offers. Against A. were charged with Title abuse because he is said to have performed an honorary doctorate "Dr. hc unem" wrongly." It means that A. Volker abused the Honorary Doctorate wrongly to do illegal business for "outsourcing of payroll taxes intensive businesses such as... exchange of something' different kind offers".

I totally agree with you that CONESUP hasn't accredited doctoral courses of UNEM until now. However, I don't agree that "The 'UNEM' thus is not permitted to award doctoral or honorary doctoral degrees". According to Article 8 of Costa Rican law 6693-81, it establishes that "once its operation has been authorized, any private university shall enjoy total liberty to develop its academic activities and curriculum as well as its study plans and the establishment of degree programs"... Appearance of a degree on the "Carreras Aprobadas" ("Approved Careers/Courses") list published by the Consejo Nacional de Educacion Superior (Conesup) does only indicate that a given degree is recognized as entrance qualification to a specific professional career. This however does not diminish the validity of any degree, awarded by a fully accredited private university, which does not appear on the list." Link: http://www.tititudorancea.com/z/universidad_cristiana_del_sur.htm#rfA1. You can see that all the course that does not listed in the CONESUP are legally to develop and operate.

"Diploma mill" should refer to "an unaccredited higher education institution that offers illegitimate academic degrees and diplomas for a fee". But this is not the case of UNEM. I see UNEM is still listed in CONESUP for accreditation of three business courses. And by the Costa Rican law of "Article 8 of Costa Rican law 6693-81", it mentioned any private university shall enjoy total liberty to develop its academic activities and the establishment of degree programs, and any degree that awarded by a fully accredited private university does not diminish the validity which does not appear on the list. UNEM is accredited private university and legally operate all 'academic degrees' program (NOT include honorary degrees, because honorary degrees is NOT equal to academic degrees).

Actually in the Der Spiegel, throughout the article you cannot find the word of "Diploma mill" to describe UNEM. The article of Der Spiegel only indicate "Title mills" only, that is abused by Germany people. Der Spiegel still did not confirmed UNEM is "Diploma mill", but you already concluded that UNEM is "Diploma mill". I believe that it is not suitable to do so subjectively. It should write what Der Spiegel actually says.

I hope the above discussion can help to find the truth of what the source to says, and make contribution to the article in Wiki. I believe to build up an "encyclopedia" that include all information, no matter negative and/or positive information, both should be included in article to let readers to be informative to understand the truth. Many thanks! Musiccafeangela (talk) 19:44, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Some user are undoing article without discussing the changes in the talk page
Dear editors // Please support my claim My edition reflect a hard writting effort to bring reliable sourses. I feel its unfair to undo all the work, I did to bring references to the discussion. Also I must underline, that controversial website was www.unem.edu.pl not www.unem.cr Furthermore, I see no reason why the listing of 27 notable people has been shortened. I am the only one engaged in bring facts and already discussed all the aforementioned in the talk page. By the way NONE of the user that reverts my editions, are bringing ANY fact into the talk page. They are merely limited to undo my work Ramdiesel (talk) 20:21, 1 March 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm tempted to agree with you that you are the only one arguing for your edits, particularly since your past supporters were blocked for sockpuppetry. The sources you provide, however, are not reliable by Wikipedia's standards. They mostly are mere list or directory entries, not detailed coverage, and they're not subject to any editorial oversight at all. The best source by far is Der Spiegel, and I don't think "rumor allegations" is an appropriate heading for what it reports. Rather, it's a deliberate whitewashing, intended to minimize the unsavory facts. That Spiegel article, the most detailed coverage and at the same time the most reliable source, should not be shunted off into a section on "rumors", but made the basis of this article, according to the policy on due weight of sources. Regarding the list of supposedly "notable people", I don't think we had articles for most of them, nor was there independent coverage discussing their supposed degrees, either.
 * Finally, regarding the website, the mere fact that the other website also had some support in sources, say here, should give us pause. There's also, for example, this and this. (Fun fact: Their Google Maps map shows the university is located on the General Cemetery of San Jose.) Huon (talk) 22:19, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Google map is not exact. Also a Cementery only covers 1 block. I think you are NOT familiarize with Central and Southamerica at all!!! You can choose your source wheter to use www.unem.edu.pl www.unem.international www.unem.cr Anyway you did not reply why the listing of notable people has been earsed. And take a CLOSE look that MANY user such as Musiccafeangela, Emily.H.Kitty and many others agree with the content my edition showsRamdiesel (talk) 23:04, 1 March 2015 (UTC)


 * I'd say I have taken a closer look at that editor who used to agree with you using multiple accounts than he/she would have liked. I did say why the listing of "notable people" was largely removed: Because those people are not in fact notable by Wikipedia's standards and there were no relilable third-party sources for their degrees. Huon (talk) 00:46, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Dear user Huon According to your edition, user Safetylun edited the article and he is also wrong??? Don't you think you must be the wrong one here??? Ramdiesel (talk) 00:53, 5 March 2015 (UTC)


 * See Sockpuppet investigations/Chan f.c.: Safetylun is yet another obvious sockpuppet. It's not a different editor, it's the same editor all over again with a new account, editing in violation of Wikipedia's policies (and that account will soon be blocked, like the others). And to be blunt, it wouldn't even matter if many different editors tried to whitewash UNEM and turn the article into a badly-sourced promotional piece in violation of Wikipedia's policies and guidelines such as WP:WEIGHT and WP:RS; they'd all be wrong. Huon (talk) 01:18, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Huon, you are wrong. Although you are interesting to block all users that opposite you or your edition, this is no use. There are hundred of people looking at this site, and concern about it. I am not Chan f.c., or other users. I only want to look for a balanced, neutral article, that's all. If you only try to block all users that opposite you, it is not gentleman being. I only could not bear watching what you do. Safetylun (talk) 02:52, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Huon, I agree in full with Safetylun and we are different user, different countries, different IP. It seems you Huon and Justlettersandnumbers seems to think are the owners of the true and the rest of us in the talk page, we are alll wrong. Ramdiesel (talk) 14:41, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

In my humble opinion Huon and Justlettersandnumbers have no ground to edit the article. I see no expertize in the subject. Most of the users involved are from CostA Rica, or other souther countries, such as uruguay and Argentina. We are more familiarized with private small Universities, and this article helps nothing. All user we cannot be all wrongCostaRicaOnline (talk) 01:02, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Justlettersandnumbers said here "all of whom have also shown a monothematic interest in this institution and a remarkable propensity for edit-warring?" here on 01:40, 5 March 2015 (UTC)..... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Chan_f.c. I felt not included into this.. I help editing other articles, such as Dulce de Leche, Ceibal Laptops for primary studenst in uruguay, and articles such as Tabare vazquez )President of Uruguay and Jose Mujica. I place my efford to contribute, although I am non english native speaker, and Huon and Justlettersandnumbers instead of helping improve, erase everybody else contribution. I think they are the ones punishable for making edit warring and not the rest of the users. Ramdiesel (talk) 01:15, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

This http://www.unem.international/en/ seems to be the International website in English. Hope this will help Tartaruganight (talk) 17:18, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 April 2015
This page is total blackmail to UNEM - not fair to organisation like UNEM. Whatever this person (s) is up to, for the purpose of blackmail. He is not only punishing the University but all the people that have graduated from the University. Hence the need to edit the page or totally delete it. Thanks.

Wikiunem (talk) 14:21, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. --I am  k6ka  Talk to me!   See what I have done  16:54, 27 April 2015 (UTC)