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Wow This information is OLD!
This post is from 2004! The National University of Ireland was dissolved early in 2010. The article should be edited to reflect this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by QuentinPrice (talk • contribs)


 * Em. Can you explain that more completely? Batt O'Keefe may have made an announcement in January 2010 that he intended to dissolve the NUI, but (as far as I'm aware) the NUI is still an extant body. Certainly they are still operating. The articles of all the constituent colleges (UCC, UCD, NUIG, NUIM) all reflect this current state of affairs. Guliolopez (talk) 11:02, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Moved Article
I have moved the article from " National University of Ireland, Cork" to "University College Cork - National University of Ireland, Cork" to reflect its official title. Djegan 17:16, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Myths
any thoughts on adding in the myths of the college? like the back story to a graduate walking across the quad will fail and stories like that? might interest a general reader. Burklert 10:06, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi. I'm not sure. It would be very easy to get decidedly "unencyclopedic" very quickly. I certainly wouldn't recommend creating a "myths" section, as it would get out of hand with NN/Unverified stuff very quickly. I would recommend taking every myth or superstition on its own merits. In that vein, with regard to the "cross the quad and fail" superstition, if you can think of a way of presenting it as a tradition (based on a superstition) that doesn't invite 100 other unsourced (minor/NN) "myths", then go ahead. (But please try and do it within the guidelines on Cite/Verify/etc). Guliolopez 11:10, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Hmm I see your point. I was a tour guide for the college last September and we were given the stories from the offical college tourguide. He detailed the story of the Quad and its mythical link to failing exams. The burying of the statue of Queen Victoria and her later recovery(pretty funny story) was also covered by him. While i can cite for the Queen Victoria story, finding backup for the Quad and crest myths might be difficult. Burklert 11:23, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Local expression

 * However the Boole Library, named after the first professor of mathematics George Boole, has not expanded in line with the rest of the university

On anon added the following to the above sentence, another removed it. I've left it here for verification... (though it seems a likely enough pun/expression):


 * , its lack of space and long queues are legendary, so much so that at any relatively short queue, students can be heard to exclaim "CoolaBoola!"

zoney &#09827; talk 16:33, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

"Coolaboola" - yep, this is true. (I'm a current UCC student) Blahrgh 21:29, 09 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I've never heard this.. is that derived from Irish or some nutcase version of 'cool boole'? Ah well.. won't hear me saying it. I don't study there anyway, too crowded during exam season. - Cathal

its rhyming slang for cool believe it or not, well more an elongation. plokt

-> Isn't there some sort of children's tv program called Cúla Boola or something? Sounds pretty dumb to me in any case... and I have never ever heard anyone say it in my life... maybe it was a cool thing to say back in the 60's...

Alumni
The article should probably have a famous alumni section. Anybody know who can go in there? Fiona Shaw is definitely a UCC graduate. Graham Norton and Cillian Murphy both went to UCC, but didn't finish their courses, so probably wouldn't count.

We should copy the example of the excellent TCD site? Need an alumni section??


 * I agree there should be at least a famous alumni section, and perhaps a separate article if there are a lot of notable people.A bit iffy 12:43, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Small Edit
I've removed a link to a page on Des Clarke (a Philosophy lecturer in UCC) from the "See Also" section -- it's unnecessary to link to individual lecturers on the main university page, especially in the absence of any other similar links - Midos 14:27, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed Guliolopez 14:38, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Move request
This article has been renamed from University College Cork - National University of Ireland, Cork to University College Cork as the result of a move request. - move. Keith D (talk) 13:38, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

The discussion for the move is located here.

Popular Culture Section
If my memory serves correctly, UCC was featured in an episode of "How I Met Your Mother", would it be suitable to include a section? Sheodred (talk) 09:54, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. My read of the relevant guidelines is that "fleeting references" in TV shows/etc don't warrant a mention. Any such mentions are generally symptomatic of (rather than contributory to) a subject's notability, and so best avoided. Guliolopez (talk) 22:46, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Non-free file problems with File:National University of Ireland.png
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Motto in Irish?
It seems that the college's motto as Gaeilge should be listed on the page since that's the one that hangs over the main gate. &quot; Ionad Bairre Scoil na Mumhan&quot;

Avitus27 (talk) 20:18, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Awards in lead
The intro/lead is starting to become a list of awards. This isn't in keeping with MOS:LEAD (which suggests it should "define the topic and summarize the article body"). If there are many of these awards, and they are all worth listing, then (IMO) they should be covered in the "Today" section (or new/specific "Awards" section), and the lead restored to what it's supposed to be. (A summary - including even a summary of the awards - not an exhaustive list of em) Guliolopez (talk) 12:21, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Since I made the above comments, we've added yet more "awards" to the lead section. It really does now read like a "list of awards" - rather than a lead section that is consistent with guidelines. Unless there are other opinions I will be reformatting the lead section to align with MOS:LEAD, and moving the bulk of the "awards" text to a sub-section of the "today" section. Guliolopez (talk) 16:31, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Merge proposal: An Chuallacht, UCC to here
Doesn't meet WP:ORG or WP:GNG, but perhaps worth a merge here. Pinging and. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 17:52, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Inclined to agree. Without cites or external sources that support notability, it would seem to fail WP:SIGCOV. The article for the equivalent NUIG society would seem fail the same criteria. (No cites. Nothing to indicate that either should have Wikipedia article.) I would note that the UCC Socs page lists ~100 societies - we are steering towards using WP as a hosting platform if each were to be covered separately. Merge/redirect or Merge/delete. Guliolopez (talk) 20:40, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

Merged. Boleyn (talk) 18:31, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

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Proposed merge with Cork School of Architecture
The current article does not show independent notability Aloneinthewild (talk) 20:43, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Agreed - Merge/redirect. Guliolopez (talk) 10:05, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
 * ✔️ - As no other opinions, objections or thoughts have been forthcoming in the several months since this merge was proposed, I have gone ahead with it. Further cleanup (and perhaps summary) of the merged content is likely appropriate. If there are no other contributions I may undertake that myself also. Guliolopez (talk) 01:06, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

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Map of campus
In this recent edit, a photo of a sign showing this map was added. I'm firstly not sure if this is really justified as, while useful, it doesn't really describe the college (also, it's very difficult to read). Would it not make more sense to place this link in External Links? Also, I can't find any mention that it is a free-use image, and a plain photo of it would therefore not be free-use.  Wasechun tashunka HOWLTRACK 17:04, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi. I had two reactions to this image. The first was the same reaction/concern as you raise. (That a less-than-high-quality photo of an informational sign/map does not really add much to the article.) The second was a copyright concern. Namely that the content of the informational sign/map (the map itself, the logos in it, the images in it, etc) are likely subject to copyright. In short, a direct "photo of a photo" isn't likely to be considered a derivative work, and is (at best) questionable in copyright/licencing terms. In short: I have removed the image. Guliolopez (talk) 19:42, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

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Created new alumni subsection for religious communities leaders
(27 June 2018)==

Hello,

I have created a new subsection for 'religious communities' within the alumni section, as the 'politicians and public servants' is not an accurate category for Dr Paul Colton, Bishop of Cork, Cloyne and Ross. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8084:22:BE00:E0B5:3957:9FA5:2B91 (talk) 12:48, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi. Yes you did. I have copyedited your change. As it resulted in stray punctuation and an incomplete sentence. As a matter of interest, why do you feel "public service" isn't an accurate description for clergy (if not in service of the community)? Guliolopez (talk) 13:50, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * In Ireland at least, the term public service (and public servant) has a very specific usage. It encompasses all of those employed in the public administration of the state. It includes the civil service, but also those working in a broad range of other areas that are part of the apparatus of government. A bishop may be carrying out 'a public service' in the broader sense of the term, but is not a 'public servant' in normal Irish lexicon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.228.233.21 (talk • contribs)
 * Also, I note that you have re-merged the sections. I am not going to get into an argument about secularism, but there is a distinction between state employees and members of the clergy. I will not make any further edits, but please be aware of that the term has a specific meaning in Ireland. I would suggest a section for community and religious leaders or something like that might be more appropriate and also, might be something that people could add to as more alumni are discovered. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.228.233.21 (talk • contribs)

Hey. I'm not sure which of a number of seemingly associated IPs I'm addressing here, but will cover some of the points raised. Cheers. Guliolopez (talk) 09:38, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * RE: "Public servant". Thanks. Fair play. Given that I asked a quasi-patronising question, I guess I can't complain that I got a response in kind. Touché. I'm happy for the Bishop to have his own sentence. I don't think he needs his own section or his own paragraph however. As typically a single short sentence wouldn't need its own paragraph or certainly not a section.
 * RE: "Alumni are discovered". If another clergy alumnus is "discovered", then - sure - lets add them to the sentence. However, we need to be wary of this section becoming too big. It already represents 10% of the article content. If it gets much bigger it may need to be "split off". Per guideline and precedent.
 * RE: "Eircode". I'm not sure if I'm addressing this to the correct anon (as there seem to be a number of anons in the same ISP network making similar edits and reverts), but guideline and convention wouldn't expect that an Eircode be added to an infobox. One of the anon IPs noted that it might indirectly help with a mapping search - but I would note that this is already extensively covered by the direct coordinates links in the article. In the manner expected by project convention. It was also highlighted that the Eircode was "part of the address" - in which case I would note that this "part of the address" is not "human readable" in the typical sense. And it is only "part of the address" to help automated sorting and routing systems solve a particular problem. Wikipedia is intended for humans to read. And this type of "raw" data (intended for machines) is not really in the scope of the project. (Nor is mail routing, ambulance routing, or pizza delivery in project scope. That is what street directories are for - not Wikipedia.)

Introductory paragraph - too much focus on name changes?
I find the introduction to this article places far too much focus on the name changes UCC went through over the years. It also makes rather unnecessarily detailed reference to various pieces of legislation that caused or supported these.

Perhaps it would make more sense to open with a paragraph that places the university into context? UCC is, after all, one of Ireland's leading and longest established academic institutions. Describing how it forms part of the fabric of Cork City and the key role it plays in Irish academic research, education and cultural life and also the contributions it makes international research etc etc would make it a more interesting read.

It might be better to put the name changes into a paragraph in the history section? They really aren't very interesting to someone who casually stumbles upon the article, or who might be interested in finding out about the university for academic or tourism reasons.

It needs an opening section that introduces UCC, summarises what is all about and draws readers into the full piece.

109.125.18.216 (talk) 02:35, 29 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi. There is a project guideline on this topic. Namely that the lead should lead "identify the topic and summarize the body". If you don't think the current lead upholds this norm, then please propose specific changes. Or I can take a look. (I would note however that "finding out about the topic for tourism reasons" isn't really in line with WP:LEAD or WP:NOTGUIDEBOOK norms). So if proposing changes, bear that in mind.... Guliolopez (talk) 09:42, 29 June 2018 (UTC)