Talk:University Of Texas

Redirect this article to University of Texas System
To most people University of Texas refers to the UT system, this article should move to University of Texas System. RockiRock 16:21, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
 * That is definitely not true. Most people use "University of Texas" to refer to The University of Texas at Austin. Johntex\talk 05:58, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * UT is the odd one out. University of North Carolina, University of California, and University of Illinois all redirect to their system homes. UT is one of the largest higher ed systems in the country. Calwatch 07:54, 17 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I posted this at the UT-Austin page, but I'll go ahead and post it here as well:
 * I find it appalling that UT-Austin students keep redirecting UT to UT-Austin. UT needs to redirect to the UT system, just as how University of California, University of North Carolina, and University of Illinois all redirect to the system and not to the premier university in the system. UT students of other campuses really need to combat this more instead of having UT-Austin steamroll them. UT-Austin is inferior in relations to the premier universities of the systems mentioned above, so maybe that’s why you guys have such an urge to stomp on anybody who is smaller.


 * Just to put it in perspective, US news put you at the same rank as UC Santa Barbara, and Shanghai Jiao Tong University’s rankings put you below UC Santa Barbara. We generally don’t consider UT-Austin prestigious, so cool your heads and learn be respectful to the other UT’s. Unsuspected 06:23, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I've reverted your change. When most people think of the University of Texas, they think of the University of Texas at Austin.  This has been discussed before and you are not making any reasonable arguments to indicate that anything has changed.  Insulting people is not going to help you get your way. Johntex\talk 18:53, 10 May 2007 (UTC)


 * What you guys are doing is completely unprecedented and really only amounts to an insult to your fellow Texans. When someone says University of Texas, they usually think about the entire University of Texas entity; it makes no sense to point it directly to the Austin campus.
 * I know you guys might refer to it as University of Texas among the local community, where the “Austin” part is quickly implied since you live there. However, especially for people outside of Texas, there is no such implication.
 * I looked over the Austin discussion page, and I have determined that the arguments for pointing University of Texas to the system are far stronger. I also noticed how you guys argued about being the most prestigious university in Texas, despite the fact that the very prestigious Rice University also resides in Texas.
 * You would need a really strong argument to prove to everybody that the University of Texas is different from the University of California, University of South Carolina, University of Illinois, University of Hawaii, and more who all point to the system as oppose to a particular school. Currently, it appears that the only thing driving your action is your ego.Unsuspected 20:22, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Please stop insulting people and making unfounded accusations about people's egos, where they live, what motivates them, etc. If you are not more civil you may be blocked.  I have restored the earlier version of the redirect and protected it.  If you want to try to change consensus at Talk:University of Texas at Austin, where this matter was debated and decided before, please discuss instead of throwing accusations. Johntex\talk 23:50, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I am shocked that being an UT-Austin student or alumni, that you didn’t rescind yourself from this issue. In the US courts, a judge always rescinds from a case if he has even a minute bias, and your bias is far from minute.
 * Since I am from California, my interest in this is only based on what I think is the fair and right thing to do. I was wondering why every single university system except for University of Texas is different in terms of redirect. Now I see it is clearly because of you.
 * I have looked at the discussion prior, and to me it clearly looks like there were better arguments for having the redirect point to the system. IMHO, the key argument is the fact that every other university system in the United States does it that way; why should University of Texas be different?
 * I don’t know why you say “this matter was debated and decided,” when there clearly weren’t any good arguments to have UT point to the UT-Austin as oppose to the system. I don’t think anybody w/o a bias would read that and conclude that such a consensus was reached.
 * Furthermore, I believe my argument that people who live in Austin are more likely to refer to UT-Austin as University of Texas was a good one. I don’t know why you interrupted that as an insult. It was a response to your argument, “When most people go looking for UT, they are looking for UT-Austin.” Clearly, I disagree with you on this point. People mentioned it in the previous statements, but in every chart and publication outside of Texas, UT-Austin is always referred to as UT-Austin and not the University of Texas.
 * So, in summary, my main points:
 * Why is University of Texas different from every other University systems (University of California, University of Illinois, etc)?
 * Since UT-Austin is an entity of University of Texas, why shouldn’t University of Texas redirect to the main entity (the system).
 * Since UT-Austin is part of UT, there are clear links in the UT page for the Austin campus; I don’t see any problem with people following those links in case they were looking for Austin.
 * While people in Texas, and particularly in Austin, might refer to UT-Austin as simply UT, that is just not the case for people outside of Texas.
 * And furthermore, while I do not mind you taking part in the debate, it is obviously unethical for you to use your mod privileges for this article. It is like being the defendant and the judge at the same time. I’m surprised Wikipedia does not have a policy against that.
 * Unsuspected 03:34, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Your analogy to the US courts is without merit. Judges sit only to decide matters as uninterested interpreters of the law.  They are not actively writing the laws or enforcing them.  Wikipedia editors actually write the articles.  We are meant to be impartial, but not disinterested.  If every editor who had an opinion on an issue recused themselves from editting it or discussing it then we would have no articles.
 * The fact that you are surprised about this simply shows that you do not understand how Wikipedia works. You should spend some time reading the links for new editors that I posted in your welcome message. Among these is WP:CIVIL which you violated in your very first post, where you immediately attack all UT persons as trying to "stomp" on the other campuses.
 * This matter was discussed at Talk:University_of_Texas_at_Austin/Old_4 and the consensus was for the redirect to point to UT Austin because it is the article most people will be looking for if they simply seach for "University of Texas". That is the deciding factor for a redirect.
 * You are welcome to try to change consensus but you must do it in a polite and well-reasoned manner. Your current efforts fail on both counts.  In addition to your incivility, your examples you cite are one-sided.  UC is not a valid comparison because no one campus stands out as being clearly bigger or more prestigeous than the rest.  You also ignore all the campuses where the redirect DOES point to the flagship campus.
 * As the current discussion at Talk:University of Texas at Austin shows, several disinterested observers are in agreement that the consensus to redirect to that campus is a valid and right consensus. There is no reason to change this to suit your whimsy. Johntex\talk 15:57, 11 May 2007 (UTC)