Talk:University of California, Irvine/Archive 2

Why the High Concentration
Anyone have any ideas why the asian population of UCI is so disproportionate with its surround areas compared to other UCs and why they get so many more applications from asian students? Orange county does have a large asian population but so do many other areas and their schools are more heterogeneous. Jarwulf 00:44, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Due to several facts:
 * 1. Irvine has a high concentration of Taiwanese-Americans, sometimes they go to high school in the area and then to UCI or go to IVC or OCC then go to UCI.
 * 2. UC's already get a lot of application from Asians/AAs. They are rather prestigious.  Almost all UC's have rather high percentages of Asians/AAs.
 * 3. UCI experiences the trickle down effect due to rankings. Cal/UCLA tend to be the most prestigious, then UCSD, and then the rest.  UCI's location and median ranking makes it attractive.
 * I speak from my own experiences. Cikoykip

I couldn't resist weighing in on this. A lot of people make a big deal about the asian population. I've heard people who never attended the school saying that it was 90% asian which is a huge exaggeration. UCLA's asian population is above 40%, UCB is roughly the same yet for some reason people like to point out UCI's high asian concentration. You have to keep in mind, that the term "asian" within the UC system also includes those from the Middle East, and South Asians including those from India, Pakistan, etc. and I can tell you that they have a huge thriving community at UCI as well. Ðysepsion † Speak your mind 01:19, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Trivia
The 1970 bank arson has documentation: (1) Los Angeles Times Oct 27, 1970, "Arsonists Leave Radical Signs After Burning UC Irvine Bank", p. 1; (2) Oct 27, 1970, "UC Irvine Students Disgusted, Apprehensive Over Bank Arson", p. C1; and (3) Oct 28, 1970, "New Bank Branch at UCI Opens One Day After Fire", p. B1. I confirmed these via a licensed database search, but transcripts might be available online.

Public Ivies listing
Irvine as well as UC Davis are mentioned in several Public Ivies listings. For a more in-depth discussion visit check out Talk:Public_Ivies ... For instance, check out page 53 in Cool Colleges: For the Hyper-Intelligent, Self-Directed, Late Blooming, and Just Plain Different (ISBN 1580081509) and page 117 in The College Finder, Revised Edition (ISBN 0449003892).

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Medical School controversies
I have to question if this section is really necessary. No other medical schools that have had problems have entries like these. For example, Stanford, UCLA, and USC does not. I'm sure those three medical schools are not controvery free. Also, the whole section has a biased feel to it like the writer has an agenda. 68.101.121.62 01:22, 8 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I think they are worth including. At least right now, most people I talk to think of these controversies when they hear about UCI.  In addition, there is widespread speculation that the new cancellor was chosen in an attempt to turn the medical school around.  I tried to clean up the more extreme POV parts of the section.  If you can make it more NPOV please give it a try, perhaps make it shorter?  Personally I think something ought to be included, but I'm open to other opinions.  --best, kevin [kzollman][talk] 08:13, 8 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree that they are worth mentioning, but maybe in a separate article in wikipedia or in a mention and a link to a news article of some sort. I also believe what should be mentioned is the ongoing medical center controversy, which is a changing current event anyways and should not be included in the main article.  Again, all medical centers are filled with controversy, no real reason in listing them all out for this one.  Additionally, there is already an article for the UCIMC in wikipedia, pertinent information regarding it should belong there.  Cikoykip 07:58, 9 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I didn't realize that the medical school had its own article. I agree that the detailed account that is currently in this article should be moved there.  However, I don't agree with your statement "a changing current event... should not be included in the main article."  This is not standard pratice on wikipedia.  New information about a person is always included in her main article first.  Only when it becomes to big does it split off into a daughter article.  Also, I understand your concern that UCI is the only medical school to have its controversies listed.  However, there are two solutions to this problem.  Remove the information here, or add information to others.  I think controversies are encyclopedic information, and so any bias should be solved by increasing the amount of encyclopedic information we have, not decreasing it. --best, kevin [kzollman][talk] 17:45, 9 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I concur with not decreasing the amount of information. This information should not be erased, however, it is just my opinion that this sort of information seems kind of out of place in consideration to the entire article.  Most of the article discusses the university as a whole, but this entire section devotes itself to the medical school.  I'm not saying it's irrelevant, but it does seem to be specific enough to warrant its own article.  I was at first contemplating moving the information to the UCIMC article, but UCIMC is not the same as UCIMS.  For example, the entire liver transplant program event is associated with the UCIMC whereas anything related to the teaching or research aspect of the UCIMC is more associated with the UCIMS.  Technically though, all activities of the UCIMC are in some way associated with UCIMS.  I only seek to organize the information so that it doesn't seem so awkward to have "Medical school controversies" between "Notable UC Irvine people" and "Trivia". Cikoykip 10:37, 10 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree that the section should be broken out into a separate article like the Notable People and Athletics. I'll try to devote some time to cleaning up the section so that it's more NPOV.  I'd like to see some citations, too.  I don't think I have enough time to research all that, though. 68.101.121.62 05:42, 11 April 2006 (UTC)


 * It is obvious you have a better grasp of the Wikipedia policies than I ever will, so I will just leave this up to your consideration. Cikoykip 11:05, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

History Section
The UCI Library currently has an exhibit on the history of UCI of how it was planned and built as well as the key people involved. Additionally, I do know that the UCIMC has a rather interesting history as well. I'm thinking about creating a History section for the university using the information from the UCI Libraries, any comments/suggestions/help with citations?

The UCIMC History would be placed in the relevant article of course. Cikoykip 06:58, 17 April 2006 (UTC)


 * The History section, being the first section of the article, definitely needs better images. I sent a request to UC Irvine Libraries for permission to use the images displayed in: http://www.lib.uci.edu/ucihistory/index.php?page=history


 * Normally I wouldn't give a damn about uploading these pictures, but it seems Wikipedia is bent on making sure all images are legally used.--BirdKr (talk) 18:20, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

UCI userbox
This is random, I'm sorry, but is there a user-page template for wikipedians attending UC Irvine? -MBlume 19:08, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
 * There's a list here: Userboxes/Education. There's Template:User uci and Template:User uci2. Evil saltine 23:09, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
 * thanks! -MBlume 23:12, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I just revamped your userbox from generic-UC to UCI-specific coloring using UCI's color official palette in a fit of late-night boredom-busting. Just a little gift from your Slug cousins up north.  --Dynaflow 09:08, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Grins* Thanks! -MBlume 19:41, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Name Origins
I changed the origins of the name back to what it was before due to several reasons: 1. The Irvine Ranch was wholly owned and controlled by the Irvine Company at the time of UCI's creation 2. The Irvine Company provided the land for the creation of UCI Thus the "Irvine" in UCI is from the "Irvine Company" not the "Irvine Ranch". Although you can infer that the name indirectly came from the ranch, it is actually directly from the Irvine Company's name. Additionally, there was an exhibit done at the Langson Library about UCI's history that mentioned this as well.

Additionally, several other important facts were deleted from the last edit and were reinserted. Cikoykip 12:39, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Graaah... scratch that last part, I didn't notice how in the previous version the Irvine Company part was shifted down. Forgive me, it is late and the letters are wobbly.  But in addition to what I previously said, if the Irvine Ranch was a Mexican land grant, it should probably be mentioned in the Irvine Company article instead of the UCI one.  Cikoykip 12:53, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Now it must really be late, apparently this is mentioned in the Irvine Company article. [Commence Head Banging] Cikoykip 12:56, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Reactor
When I was a physics undergrad at UCI I recall hearing that the nuclear reactor hasn't been active since the mid 90's due to the cost of insurance and AEC licencing fees. Anyone know if that's still the case? -Loren 02:50, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It's still running. In fact, it was just recently when the local politicians got involved when a candidate brought up the security of the reactor and the then Representative Chris Cox took a look. --Gogo Dodo 06:22, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is still running, but I find conflicting reports. This ABC article alludes to a future shutdown. However, as far as I know, it's still running -although there was some contention about it during the last elections. Cikoykip 08:13, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Last I heard, it was shutdown. WPW 17:28, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * The US Department of Energy says otherwise. Plus, we have a grant that lasts through 2009. I highly doubt that the DOE would be funding a reactor that didn't exist for the next 3 years. --Sporkot 01:24, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

wolves?
the article used to say that UCI had wolves until 1985 but now does not - is this false? -MBlume 23:27, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

I have not noticed any wolves, nor have I heard anything about them. It would certainly take care of the bunny problem, though. :) Andrew zot 06:45, 20 June 2006 (UTC)


 * UCI has many coyotes, but I haven't seen any wolves. We get coyote roadkill on California, near the gym. If you've lived in the southern residential areas, you can hear what sounds like children crying at night -- it's really just the coyotes, but their howls are jarring. Falsedef 01:49, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

University of California, Riverside Survey
I'm posting this survey request Talk:University of California, Riverside on all the UC talk pages in order to gather outside opinion on ongoing issues concerning the POV of this article. Please read the article and add your insights to the survey to help us identify any points of consensus in the UCR article. Thanks--Amerique 21:14, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Survey closed, thanks--Amerique 19:17, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Parking NPOV issue
Before I get warned for violating WP:3RR, does anybody see any issues with me removing the recent parking citation statements added by three different anonymous IPs? In my opinion, somebody has a grudge and is pushing an agenda. I noted in my last revert to cite sources, but the statements were re-added without sources. -- Gogo Dodo 03:15, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * 75.31.66.112
 * 75.28.140.77
 * 75.31.77.71
 * I take these last two reversions  as meaning that it's okay to keep reverting. -- Gogo Dodo 20:18, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Helping to Contribute
Hi, I recently graduated from UCI and have extensive information about the campus and social activities. I will help maintain this wiki and update it with the help of fellow students and former employers. Please help by reviewing my work, contributing information, and adding more UCI-related pictures to the Wikimedia Commons. Thanks! Fueltheburn 03:50, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Propose Removal of Parking Permit Descriptions
I think the extended listing of parking permits available to students is information overload for a general audience and would like to remove it. Does anyone concur? Fueltheburn 08:15, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Were you considering removing the two bulleted lists or more? I think the list can go, but the paragraph following about the Nobel permits is a little more interesting. -- Gogo Dodo 08:54, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I like most of the transportation section, include the Nobel permits, and find the whole section relevant since many UCI students and faculty commute. However, I think that the list of parking permits available for students, faculty, and staff should be removed. Such information could be included in a link to the parking website at the bottom of the page. Fueltheburn 11:54, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

UCI Health System wiki
FYI, I did some research and found this website, which extensively covers the UCI Health System (UCIHS). I reccommend consolidating the UCI Medical Center wiki into a UCIHS wiki, which would also include more thorough descriptions of the hospital history, medical center controversy, local clinics, libraries, and the college of medicine. UCI wikipedians would be useful contributors to such an article. Fueltheburn 12:19, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Better picture of Engineering Tower?
The caption says, "The Engineering Tower, located in the Henry Samueli School of Engineering, is the tallest building on campus." But the picture is of the entrance to Engineering Tower, it doesn't really capture the tallness of it. Anyone have a better picture? Cikoykip 00:14, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Regrettably, there are few pictures of UCI on Wikimedia Commons. I have myself noted that the pictures do not truly capture the feel of the campus (for instance, there are few pictures of anything other than those depicting Brutalist architecture). I will try to find some better pictures, including more modern architecture and a picture of the whole Engineering Tower itself. Fueltheburn 21:43, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I've changed the photo to one that shows the height of the building. Admittedly, the photo isn't well composed and is missing the ET marquee, so it should probably be replaced again. falsedef 04:53, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

It's University Center not University Town Center
The commercial center located next to campus is called University Center, there is no "Town" in the name.Cikoykip 00:15, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Back in the early 1970's, it was called University Town Center. It's where the bookstore was, the Bank of America branch, a 7/11 type convenience store, and the Campus Malt Shop. The campus was small then and so was the Unviersity Town Center. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.104.254.34 (talk) 21:06, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Irvine Conspiracy Theory
First of all, what's the theory?

Removed section: "*The question of The Irvine Company's role in UCI's affairs has grown to become a popular conspiracy theory among students. This theory is based on the facts that UC Irvine was built on land owned by The Irvine Company, William Pereira (architect of UCI's master plan) was also the architect of the Irvine Ranch Master Plan (which includes much of the region around UCI), and that The Irvine Company owns territory that comprises one-fifth of Orange County. It may also be inspired by the current relationship between UCI and The Irvine Company. For instance, Donald Bren (CEO of The Irvine Company and the nation's wealthiest landowner) has sponsored two of UC Irvine's most important facilities (The Bren Events Center and the Donald Bren School of Information and Computer Science), and is one of UC Irvine's largest patron donors. Also, the University Research Park was entirely built by The Irvine Company on land owned by the company and UCI, which the university leases to The Irvine Company."

I removed this section because it only talks about facts of UCI already stated and explains nothing about the supposed conspiracy theory.

Cikoykip 00:23, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The Irvine Company issue is perhaps more of a social commentary comparing UCI and the involvement of corporate elements in its construction and growth to more traditional universities that developed within a more historical context. I agree with your qualification, but believe that some part of this relationship should be conveyed (perhaps briefly) in this article since it is an important part of understanding UCI. At the very least, some of the deleted information may serve as trivia. Fueltheburn 21:43, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Without a citation, I'm afraid that this section probably violates wikipedia's policy on original research. If there has been some published speculations about the relationship, then it can perhaps be included in the article.  I agree with Cikoykip that the paragraph should say something about the supposed "conspiracy" rather than just stating that a relationship exists.  --best, kevin [kzollman][talk] 03:38, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Academic Units and Chancellors
I recommend that work begin on articles for each of the academic units at UCI, as other universities have linked articles for each of their divisions and schools. The Merage School has an article, but that could be cleaned up. Each article could discuss curriculum, rankings and distinctions, majors/minors, and special programs. Also, many universities have biographies for all their chancellors; this could be done for UCI as well. Fueltheburn 22:48, 11 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Sounds like a good idea. --best, kevin [kzollman][talk] 03:39, 12 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I think the schools should be named School of Whatever (UC Irvine) rather than UC Irvine School of Whatever. I've made the article for UC Irvine Donald Bren School of Information and Computer Sciences, but the title looks weird to me. Falsedef 03:15, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

"Flagship"
I've removed the phrase


 * Is part of its long-term efforts to become a flagship University of California campus (thus joining UCLA and UC Berkeley, who share that informal description),

because "flagship campus" has a well-defined meaning; see the article "flagship." It is not an "informal description" and it does not mean "excellent school."

It means, very specifically, the original campus from which a state university system has grown. Flagship campuses are often land-grant schools established following the Morrill Act, and were often joined by other campuses during a wave of university system expansions that followed World War II.

In other words, "flagship" doesn't mean "best," it means "oldest."

Thus a campus cannot be "a" flagship, it either is the flagship or it is not.

Because of their history, flagship campuses often are the largest and best-financed campuses in the system and often are the highest-regarded academically, but it does not work the other way around. No matter what it may achieve academically, a campus founded in 1959 cannot "become a flagship" of a university system founded in 1868. Dpbsmith (talk) 13:34, 22 September 2006 (UTC)


 * The citation that the article used actually never refers to flagship meaning the first, though the author (speech giver) does associate flasgship with the first universities in the public systems.
 * What do we mean by the term "flagship" universities? The term applies, in all the cases I can think of, to the fully mature public universities serving most of states. In most cases, these institutions were the first public universities to be established in their states.
 * No state can afford to build many flagship universities. They cannot be built quickly. They cannot be built by faculty who do not meet the highest standards of scholarly research. They cannot easily be built from institutions that have historically not been involved in much research or graduate education. Once built, they can be easily destroyed by political intrusion or financial neglect.
 * falsedef 02:32, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I concur with all of the above. UC Irvine can never be a flagship campus because it is too young and too small.  --Coolcaesar 05:49, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

"Academic Rivalry" section
I removed the recently-added "Academic Rivalry" section because it does not provide a source for the claim that UCI will move up in ranking, and because it contains original research in the second-to-last sentence.
 * "Some have speculated that UCI's rapid growth in certain academic disciplines (most notably the Political and Biological Sciences as well as its well-regarded International Studies program) will help to facilitate the school's growng prestige among California's top Universities. Many academic experts predict that UCI will surpass UCLA and UC San Diego in the U.S. News and World Report rankings by no later than 2011, making it the second-most esteemed UC campus (under UC Berkeley) and third in California (when Stanford University is factored in).  Given that Irvine is the youngest University to rank among U.S. News's top 50 national univisities, these claims are not unfounded.  According to U.S. News and the Gourman Report, UCI already ranks higher than UC Riverside, UC Davis, UC Santa Barbara and UC Santa Cruz."

Evil saltine 05:51, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Can you really say that UCI is "better" academically than UC Davis or UCSB? UCI will never surpass UCSD. UCI will NEVER pass UCLA, and I went to UCI

Warnings for 71.104.6.92 and 68.4.59.205
These users have been given a warning for posting inappropriate comments, as defined by Wikipedia policy. Fueltheburn 05:38, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

endowment
any evidence the endowment is really 400 million? That is quite a jump Jarwulf 02:31, 17 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I corrected it with info from the 2007 Facts & Figures. Looks like somebody was doing a little wishful thinking. -- Gogo Dodo 03:34, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Reference request
Could someone who's familiar with the references here, provide a solid reliable one that Dr. William Sears was an Associate Clinical Professor of Pediatrics? It's something that's mentioned in all of his self-written bios, but I'd like something more solid for his Wikipedia bio, including the years that he worked on campus. Thanks, Elonka 04:48, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Endowment again
Endowment reported at above $800 million in the article, with this source: http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/usnews/edu/college/directory/brief/drglance_1314_brief.php

However, endowment was $195 as of June 30, 2006, according to this more official UCI fact sheet: http://today.uci.edu/pdf/UCI_07_Facts_and_Figures.pdf

I'm more than skeptical that the endowment quadrupled in the last year. —Preceding unsigned comment added by James Lednik (talk • contribs) 10:22, 8 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Sounds fishy to me, too. I reverted it back to the source I cited before. UCI's press release should be correct and I don't see any additional press releases.  You would think that if the endowment quadrupled, a press release would be issued.  Maybe U.S. News counts endowment in a different way? -- Gogo Dodo 17:39, 8 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm tempted to suggest the US News figures for UC campus endowments may actually be an assessment of their physical assets or annual operating budgets. Though these would be closer to the US News figures as a ballpark, US News is still significantly off the UC numbers, however. Amerique dialectics 18:10, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Chemerinsky Controversy
I copied the section regarding Chemerinsky into the new UC Irvine School of Law article, but I held off from deleting the section here until there was at least some sort of consensus. --Donutmonger 22:17, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Trivia Section
I moved the trivia section here for further discussion, Wikipedia discourages trivia sections and suggests that relevant material in trivia sections should be incorporated into main article:

Other campus trivia


1. Unlike other University of California campuses, UCI was not named for the city it was built in; at the time of the university's founding (1965), the current city of Irvine (established in 1971) did not exist. The name "Irvine" is a reference to James Irvine, a landowner who administered the 94,000 acre (380 km²) Irvine Ranch. Much of the land that was not purchased by UCI (which is now occupied by the cities of Irvine, Tustin, Newport Beach, and Newport Coast) is now held under The Irvine Company. William Pereira's proposals for naming the city itself consisted mostly of names from the area's local history, including "Sepulveda", "Rancho San Joaquin", "Myford", and "Santiago". The identity of the University led to the city being named Irvine.

2. During his tenure as Chancellor, Daniel G. Aldrich exclusively employed the sixth floor of the Administration building as his personal gym.

3. Blizzard Entertainment, a PC game developer, has its headquarters at the University Research Park located on UCI land. Broadcom Corporation, one of the top technology companies in the world, has its headquarters at University Research Park.

6. A series of tunnels beneath Ring Road were the subject of many rumors; some believe they functioned as a sort of emergency escape passage. However, they are actually maintenance tunnels containing utility pipes from the central plant that services heating, cooling, natural gas, compressed air, electricity, and water to the campus core buildings and is available to be used for any future expansion of the university.

7. *In October 1970, a Bank of America branch across from campus was burned down as part of an apparent string of California bank arsons that year. The arsonists left radical slogans on graffiti and signs. Student and faculty public reaction was uniformly negative.

8. The Department of Chemistry operates a 250 kilowatt steady-state Mark I TRIGA reactor, used for radiochemistry research.

9. Calit2, a research organization on campus, has been noted for its development of the HIPerWall, which allows researchers to employ a wall of computer monitors to conduct high-resolution imagery research.

10. UCI's master plan, and its establishment during the national crises of the 1960s, has lent itself to a conspiracy theory popular with students. The theory claims that Aldrich Park was built in a central location so that law enforcement authorities could channel and contain student protests. Variations of this theory also state that the vertically narrow windows employed by UCI's original buildings, a consequence of their Brutalist architecture, were intended to shield rifle-bearing government officials from protesters while allowing them to shoot tear gas or use deadly force. These conspiracy theories may have been partially inspired by the events of Kent State; however, they are probably not plausible since the university was conceived and planned in the late 1950s, before the tulmultous era of the civil rights movement and the Vietnam War. Ironically, an equivalent conspiracy theory also attached itself, with just as little basis in reality, to the almost completely opposite set of architectural-layout considerations that prevailed in the decentralized campus plan of UCI's sister school at Santa Cruz, which opened simultaneously with UCI.

11. In addition to the San Joaquin Freshwater Marsh Reserve, UCI also operates the Burns Piñon Ridge Reserve in the Mojave Desert.


 * Trivia #1, 4, and 5 should be merged into the historical background of the university while the #9 and #11 should be included in Notable Facilities. I'll get to it once I'm done with classes. --BirdKr 18:34, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I've just taken a shot at merging #1 into the article, though I'm not sure if I'm happy with the result. What do you think?  -MBlume 22:55, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I split that paragraph you added and deleted a sentence that had little to do with the university. See if you're happy with it now. --BirdKr 15:50, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Awesome ^^ Should we start deleting trivia here that's already in the article?
 * Tried merging in #11 - does it fit? -MBlume 23:27, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Despite the fact that #11 is a great follow up to the mention of the first reserve, it does not have its place in the Surroundings section. I moved it to Notable Facilities. I'm assuming a paragraph with only a single sentence is poor style, so I merged it with another sentence paragraph, the observatory, both of which are remote from the university.--BirdKr 11:44, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Added the Calit2 facility. Someone needs to read its overview and figure out what the exact purpose of this organization and facility is. --BirdKr 02:33, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject University of California
Several editors are organizing a WikiProject to better organize articles related to the University of California. A preliminary draft is available here. You are invited to participate in the discussion at Talk:University of California. szyslak 21:28, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Forking proposal
At 81k, this article, while generally well-written, is rather "overweight." I propose moving most of the information under "Academic structure," "Honors and research opportunities" and "Academic and professional preparation" to one or more daughter articles. Amerique dialectics 18:47, 10 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Proposal-


 * Merge Academic Units and Academic Structure into one separate main article known as University of California Irvine's Academic Units and Structure. Replace the current two sections to one summary and offer a re-direct to its main article.
 * Condense the Surroundings, Layout, Libraries & Study Centers, Notable Facilities, and Controversy Section.


 * --BirdKr (talk) 11:06, 8 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Concur with your first proposal, although University of California, Irvine academics might be an easier title. (Like how Michigan State University academics is set up.) Your second suggestion could probably be accomplished the same way. The bulk of the "Campus" section (Surroundings, Layout, Libraries & Study Centers, and Notable facilities) could probably be summarized here with the mass of it forked off with a wiki-link to a University of California, Irvine campus article. The controversy section could just be edited, I think, or split off into the sections or articles covering the respective academic units involved in the controversies. Amerique dialectics 15:45, 8 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Can you link to the article that details on how to fork proposals? --BirdKr (talk) 11:27, 9 December 2007 (UTC)


 * There are 2: WP:SPINOUT and WP:SS. It's just a matter of creating new articles with a copy and paste of the content to be summarized here. (You can click on the redlinks I made, above, if you want to use those titles.) If I had time I'd do the academics one myself, but am rather busy right now irl. Amerique dialectics 15:29, 9 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I went ahead and forked academics, honors & research opportunities, and academic & professional preparation. The more difficult part now is editing that text per WP:SS here. I'll work on this over the week. Amerique dialectics 18:52, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the headstart. I'll work on this during the first week of my winter break (December 15). --BirdKr (talk) 21:40, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Here's a draft for the summary main on Campus

Campus
The layout of the core campus resembles a rough circle with its center being the Aldrich Park, initially known as Central Park, and lined up by the Ring Road and buildings surrounding the road. To further emphasize the layout, academic units' placement relative to the center is based on their educational attainment in which undergraduate schools would be closer to the center than the graduate schools.

Within the Aldrich Park, there are numerous thickly-wooded trees indigeous to the local Mediterranean climate. The very center of the park features a garden and a memorial plaque of UCI's founding.

The Ring Road is the main pedestrian road used by students and faculty to travel around the core campus. The road measures up to a perfect mile and completely incircles the Aldrich Park. Most schools and libraries are lined up by this road with each of these schools having their own central plaza which also connects to the Aldrich Park.

Other areas of the university outside of the core campus such as the College of Medicine and the School of Arts are connected by four pedestrian bridges.

Now, this is my very first draft written under 5 minutes. It's not written well IMO.--BirdKr (talk) 19:35, 16 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I would go ahead and upload it. WP is pretty organic... someone will come along and edit it at some point. Amerique dialectics 20:25, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

I wrote another draft, this time for Libraries and Study Centers:

Libraries and Study Centers
UC Irvine Libraries has four main branches:

In addition with these libraries being themselves a study center, other study centers include the Student Center which also offers several auditoriums and a food court, the Aldrich Park, the Cross-Cultural Center, and plazas located at every Schools that are lined up by the Ring Road.

--BirdKr (talk) 20:29, 16 December 2007 (UTC)


 * The chart would look good to me in addition to most of the material on libraries already there. The libraries section can be cut, but probably not to a chart and a single sentence ;-) Amerique dialectics 20:45, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Now it doesn't look too lean nor fat --BirdKr (talk) 21:06, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Can anyone find the link to UCI's Biomedical Library? I can only find Langson, Science, and Grunigen Library .--BirdKr (talk) 08:07, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Another ranking site
http://chronicle.com/stats/productivity/page.php?year=2007&institution=546&byinst=Go

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chronicle_of_Higher_Education

It should be noted however, UCI ranks 1st in the Computer and Information Sciences, various, because other arguably better universities in such discipline like MIT are listed in the Computer Science category.

--BirdKr (talk) 08:17, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Antisemitism charges
For further background on this, please read:. I will not have time to mediate this, but in the meantime please observe and enforce all appropriate WP policies. Best wishes to all, Amerique dialectics 04:00, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

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