Talk:University of Colorado Denver/Archive 1

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The following sections are archived here from Talk:University of Colorado at Denver, which now redirected to this page. WTF? (talk) 21:20, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Merge
In 2004, University of Colorado at Denver merged with University of Colorado Health Sciences Center to form the University of Colorado at Denver and Health Sciences Center. Then in 2007, the University of Colorado at Denver and Health Sciences Center officially changed its name to University of Colorado Denver. At this time (October, 2008) there are duplicate articles in Wikipedia: University of Colorado Denver and University of Colorado at Denver. I think we should merge these and be left with only a single article for University of Colorado Denver. Denverjeffrey (talk) 02:16, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Update from university
The University of Colorado at Denver and Health Sciences Center (UCDHSC) was officially consolidated by the Board of Regents in July 2004. Much of the administrative consolidation has now taken place and we have a new chancellor, M. Roy Wilson, MD, MS, to further the process.

Merging these three Wikipedia Web sites does not seem practical at the moment, since the UCDHSC site isn't complete. However, there are inaccuracies on all three sites that should be corrected. I have recently been charged with monitoring and updating this site on behalf of the university and will do my best to correct and update information on these sites over the next several weeks.

Deanna Beckett, UCDHSC Office of Marketing Communications


 * Hi Deanna,


 * Thanks for the update. I changed the format of your discussion post to match the format of the other posts. Please make an effort to make things consistent in the future. I am especially concerned that if the articles are solely updated by marketing personnel at the university that they will not be free of bias. Please do your best to make sure you discuss any changes you make and that those changes are based primarily on outside sources and not marketing materials.


 * --Tspike 15:55, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Merging universities; merging articles
The suggestion was to merge University of Colorado Health Sciences Center and University of Colorado at Denver to form an entirely new article, University of Colorado at Denver Health Sciences Center.

That would be appropriate if UCDHSC is the one and only name by which this university will be known after the two entities have merged. I just don't know enough about it to say if that's the right approach.

After the merging is complete, then redirects to the new article will replace each of the older articles. To be complete, it would be appropriate to track down all the references to the former articles, and change them to point to the new article, updating the surrounding text, if necessary.

--GraemeMcRae 16:14, 19 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I don't think that University of Colorado at Denver is merging with the Health Sciences Center. Isn't UCD still going to be on the Auraria campus, and the UCHSC going to be in Fitzsimons? There are still to separate websites for each of these schools [1] and [2]. I see that on the websites, they combined the names, but I still feel that they are there own separate institutions, in geographically separate areas, with different purposes and goals. In fact they even are called by separate names on the website as CU-Denver and the University of Colorado, Health Sciences Center. I don't think its appropriate to merge them.
 * Vertigo700 08:31, 21 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that, Vertigo700. The whole thing came up when someone merged the two names in the Colorado article, creating a redlink for the new name.  I reverted that edit, and rescinded the request to merge the articles.--GraemeMcRaetalk 14:24, 21 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I believe that it is appropriate to resurrect this discussion given that it's been awhile since it was originally had. The merger has indeed created single legal entity within the University of Colorado school system.  They actually operate three campuses - downtown, 9th and Colorado, and Fitzsimmons.  I would encourage the skeptical to look at the front of the CU system's website to see if the change is warranted.  https://www.cusys.edu/.  --209.241.194.59 19:00, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Reads like an advertisement
I added the Advert template because the current version of this article includes words that attach positive connotations to the University that aren't objective. For example, the 'Campus' section includes numerous instances of this, like "ideal location," "most vibrant urban centers," and "best skiing" etc.

The faculty section attributes values to the faculty that faculty members may or may not share, for example the "deep appreciation for technology," and "a very real passion for teaching."

The necessary changes are fairly small, and I'd like to hear what others have to say. --Tspike 18:09, 17 September 2006 (UTC)


 * It is obviously an advertisement. As a student I'm a little put off by the fact that the marketing office assigned somebody to the wikipedia page. The faculty section is obviously biased and laughable in the cases of some professors. So please, make whatever changes you feel are necessary.The things about skiing and whatever else in Colorado are irrelevant. While I personally agree that the campus is beautiful and located in an amazing area of the city, that's all POV too.24.8.6.242 05:59, 9 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I removed the student body profile section, which should help move this article away from advertising. Ianthegecko 20:56, 6 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I removed the "Faculty" section. All factual information in it can be summarized as "Faculty have an amount of education and training typical for a college." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Archaos81 (talk • contribs) 21:23, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

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Assessment
Needs additional sourcing and the List portion needs to be turned into prose and expanded to give details on each item in the list to make it to B class. Aboutmovies (talk) 09:39, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

merged
Article merged: See old talk-page here. Denverjeffrey (talk) 01:37, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

written like an advertisement
it is, somewhat. Charibdis (talk) 18:39, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Merged University of Colorado Health Sciences Center article with the UC Denver article
Article merged: See old talk-page here. Everything about the (now non-existent) University of Colorado Health Sciences Center can be found here and here. Bobfreshwater (talk) 03:27, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Let's get the name right
This article is rather confusing regarding the actual name of the school. It states on several occasions that the downtown and medical campuses are one school, and even says that the full name should be University of Colorado Denver | Anschutz Medical Campus, but then doesn't reflect this fact in the opening sentences, which makes it appear as of the full and total name of the school is the University of Colorado Denver. Which is it? I don't agree with the person who reverted my original change that the medical campus is a sub-campus of UCD, but I'm not going to revert that, hoping that, instead, some consensus can be found here. Ommnomnomgulp (talk) 04:04, 5 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Having looked more at the university's websites, I have now concluded that (1) you are basically right, and my edit will have to be reverted, but also that (2) the branding intent is as clear as mud (maybe by design?), because the university's branding choices are oddball to the point of ignoring norms of English-language orthography, in multiple ways. The upshot is, hey, fine, whatever, they're free to do whatever they want, I think I will just ignore it and go away. But what a bunch of weirdness this branding creates. As follows:


 * First of all, people have said "UC" (as in "UC Denver") for decades, because that's the natural acronym for "University of Colorado." Which is also why they picked www.ucdenver.edu for their URL. I see that now the recent branding makes it "CU", even though they didn't change "University of Colorado" to "Colorado University." By doing so they created a quirk ("yes, OK, I know it's a mismatch/crossmatch, and the two are synonymous (so use whichever you like), but let me explain it") about the very name of the school. Guess it's a conversation piece, if nothing else. Which maybe in marketing is the biggest goal. But what kind of conversation do you want to prompt? "Yes, OK, I know, but explanation ..." Of course, any publicity is good publicity, they say. Hmmm.


 * Next, regarding the campuses, they took something simple and made it obscure. When you look at the parent site (www.cu.edu) (as of today), it says "Four Campuses, One University". And the banner at top says:


 * University of Colorado
 * Boulder | Colorado Springs | Denver | Anschutz Medical Campus


 * OK, sounds great—so that's 1, 2, 3, 4—four campuses. That makes sense. Even if administratively, the latter two (Denver and Anschutz Medical Campus) are evidently linked—they are the same organization "under the hood", apparently—that mental "tree diagram" makes sense as a brand. But by branding the www.ucdenver.edu website with "University of Colorado Denver | Anschutz Medical Campus", they have chosen to treat them, for brand management purposes, as none of the following: (a) two out of four distinct campuses on the same level of a mental "tree diagram" (which they clearly choose at cu.edu, hence "Four Campuses, One University"); (b) Anchutz as a subcampus of the Denver campus (which I don't doubt it began as, and which is what my edit was trying to treat it as); or (c) two distinct campuses but with a special bond between them (which could be unambiguously communicated with an ampersand, but not with a pipe character, in normative English orthography, which is not the only, or the mandatory, kind of English orthography, but is the only kind that the public can interpret at a glance, within body text, with unambiguous meaning).


 * I guess my problem with the current branding at ucdenver.edu is that they're using the pipe character (vertical bar) in a way (whether they intended to or not) that goes beyond its use in display type and logos (versus body-text typography) and forces it to act as a punctuation mark within plain text. The ampersand can normatively fill both those roles, but the vertical bar can't. Which is why it looks odd when the opener of this lede says something like "The University of Colorado Denver | Anschutz Medical Campus is blah blah blah." As opposed to "The University of Colorado Denver & Anschutz Medical Campus is blah blah blah." It looks like a mistake, for more than one reason. Not only for the orthographic reason just stated, but also because of the obvious tangle where your brain starts trying to figure out, "OK, behind the obvious punctuation error in this plain text, are they trying to communicate meaning (a), meaning (b), or meaning (c) to me? Let's spend a half hour analyzing it."


 * Of course, I'm just any schmo, so my opinion is irrelevant in the respect that no one has to care what I think. But it is relevant in the respect that if two viewers of those websites had to have this conversation at all, then maybe the branding should be clearer. And I spent way too much time typing this reply, time I didn't have available to waste, but I guess I felt like venting about it.


 * Feel free to revert my change—they're on their own regarding what their name is and how they punctuate it! Thanks for discussing. Quercus solaris (talk) 13:51, 5 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I should have read University_of_Colorado_Denver before messing with the lede of this article. That section makes clear that the name has been designed and punctuated by committee, which I guess explains everything. No one could agree on what to name the merged organization, so they Frankensteined the name instead of tolerating something sensible like "University of Colorado Denver/Aurora" or "University of Colorado Denver & Aurora". Quercus solaris (talk) 14:41, 5 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I don't have a horse in this race, but things were really unclear on the page. Thanks for taking the time to look into it more closely. This renaming as well as Georgia Regents University should probably go down as two of the worst re-branding attempts for major universities in recent memory. Ommnomnomgulp (talk) 03:19, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

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