Talk:University of Colorado at Denver and Health Sciences Center

UCH
University of Colorado Hospital is a separate (for-profit and privately owned) entity from UCDHSC, although UCH is considered a teaching hospital. With that in mind I am fixing the wikilink in the 'List of Colorado Hospitals' article. Korvac 00:11, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Since they existed separately
Each school should have a separate entry. The UCD and the UCHSC articles should then point to the page for the combined school. "In [blah] UCD merged with UCHSC to form UCDHSC". The combined school page should then point back to the original pages. These should be kept separate for historical reference. People who know their grandmother went to the "University of Colorado Health Sciences Center" should be able to find information on that school, for example. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amspeck (talk • contribs) 16:27, 2 October 2006


 * Agree. They used to have separate articles but apparently somebody combined them. I would be curious to know if the person who combined them has any firsthand knowledge about this university. Although in theory the two campuses are the same institution, there are still very large cultural, academic, and administrative differences between the two. The distinction is large enough to warrant separate articles. The previous articles were written much better and had more information. I encourage the person who combined the articles to post here with a good reason why they did so. The discussion page on the previous CU Denver article had more or less come to a consensus that there should remain two distinct articles. -Tspike 01:00, 10 May 2007 (UTC)


 * The reason is that it was misleading. I know they used to be different schools, but now there is only one school that is UCDHSC. There is no UCHSC anymore. That is not official. There is only one school, period. If the distinction between the schools are substantial in some way I would say, mostly in the medical and undergraduate areas, you can create a section that mentions that, but the article shouldn't be split into two wikipedia articles, because that is wrong. Officially there is only one school UCDHSC. If we apply this logic, we could split for instance University of California at Berkeley into University of California at Berkley North Campus and University of California at Berkley Downtown campus. There is no separate registrations. I would say just follow the official rules from the school. 168.253.13.36 01:49, 11 May 2007 (UTC) These are "campus"es by the way of one school, not two different schools or universities.


 * Related comments about merger from Talk:University of Colorado Health Sciences Center and Talk:University of Colorado at Denver below

The suggestion was to merge University of Colorado Health Sciences Center and University of Colorado at Denver to form an entirely new article, University of Colorado at Denver Health Sciences Center.

That would be appropriate if UCDHSC is the one and only name by which this university will be known after the two entities have merged. I just don't know enough about it to say if that's the right approach.

After the merging is complete, then redirects to the new article will replace each of the older articles. To be complete, it would be appropriate to track down all the references to the former articles, and change them to point to the new article, updating the surrounding text, if necessary.

--GraemeMcRae 16:14, 19 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I don't think that University of Colorado at Denver is merging with the Health Sciences Center. Isn't UCD still going to be on the Auraria campus, and the UCHSC going to be in Fitzsimons? There are still to separate websites for each of these schools [1] and [2]. I see that on the websites, they combined the names, but I still feel that they are there own separate institutions, in geographically separate areas, with different purposes and goals. In fact they even are called by separate names on the website as CU-Denver and the University of Colorado, Health Sciences Center. I don't think its appropriate to merge them.
 * Vertigo700 08:31, 21 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that, Vertigo700. The whole thing came up when someone merged the two names in the Colorado article, creating a redlink for the new name.  I reverted that edit, and rescinded the request to merge the articles.--GraemeMcRaetalk 14:24, 21 October 2005 (UTC)


 * It's already merged some time ago now. It's official. The previous school names are unofficial. see cusys.edu 168.253.16.247 01:45, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I believe that it is appropriate to resurrect this discussion given that it's been awhile since it was originally had. The merger has indeed created single legal entity within the University of Colorado school system.  They actually operate three campuses - downtown, 9th and Colorado, and Fitzsimmons.  I would encourage the skeptical to look at the front of the CU system's website to see if the change is warranted.  https://www.cusys.edu/.  --209.241.194.59 19:00, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Mainly needs streamlining and editing to removed the bulletpoints that make up most of the article. I think that this article should not be merged with University of Colorado at Denver and Health Sciences Center, since that institution can be considered a new and seperate entity. K e rowyn Leave a note 21:17, 12 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Here endeth old comments

On May 6th with no discussion Redirected University of Colorado at Denver and University of Colorado Health Sciences Center (and did not follow Redirect protocol, creating several dozen double redirects in the process). A consensus had been reached prior to this not to merge the articles. I therefore reverted 168.253.17.140's edits separating the pages once again. On May 11th the same user that merged the articles (as ) commented above. To address the merging situation I also agree that:
 * Each school should have a separate entry
 * No you don't. That's a "campus." That's not a school. Reference http://www.ucdhsc.edu
 * These should be kept separate for historical reference (much like Czechoslovakia, East Berlin, Rhodesia, etc.....)
 * Not anymore. UCHSC is not a university anymore. It's gone reference http://www.cusys.edu
 * There are very large cultural, academic, and administrative differences between the two schools
 * It doesn't. You may have rejection to this being merged, but factually this is one entity whether you like it or not

Also, I should note that I have attended both UCD and UCHSC and I currently attend (the HSC portion of) UCDHSC. In light the overwhelming objection to merging the articles at this time I am removing the merge tags. I suggest reading the handy table entitled What do we use redirects for? should you again feel the itch to redirect.--DO11.10 16:59, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * "but the article shouldn't be split into two wikipedia articles, because that is wrong." There are three articles two historical and one current, that is the "right" way to approach this situation, if they had joined together 20 years ago it might be a different story, but the two schools have different histories, focuses and are sufficiently different in themselves to warrant their own articles.
 * You are not getting the point. I know they were separate and the article mentions that, but now as of today, there is no such two schools. I know that the culture can be different, but that fact still remains, it's one school. Reference http://www.ucdhsc.edu. I know you are emotional about this, but you need to provide sources and references to support your claim. This is not a pissing contest where you can assume things. You need sources and references. 168.253.16.247 01:27, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't think people are getting the point. There is one entity UCDHSC and that is university, these two are campuses according to http://www.ucdhsc.edu. That's this university's website. I understand some people might have rejection to the schools being merged, but that's just the way it is now. These two are campuses if you go to ucdhsc.edu You shouldn't be sentimental about this. There is no "Cudenver" anymore and there is no "UCHSC" university anymore.

If you go here http://www.cusys.edu, this is one school. If you go here http://www.ucdhsc.edu, it's one school, if you go here http://www.cudenver.edu it says "downtown campus," but not school. 168.253.16.247 01:23, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Merge request
We should immediately merge these small, campus, houses, schools and medicine articles into this article. Reason
 * All the references cusys.edu, ucdhsc.edu, cudenver.edu
 * These campuses and buildings of ucdhsc, is not significant to warrant its own wikipedia entry. Nobody knows about them except the student and the faculty (see wikipedia policy of importance)
 * It's making things harder to digest and read. Bunch of houses and buildings separated into multiple who knows pages.

If people disagree bring this up immediately with the larger wikipedia community. I think there are people from colorado that's wanting these separated so bad, because of historical school pride, better and worse attitudes. 168.253.16.247 01:35, 18 May 2007 (UTC)


 * First of all, you need to calm down. Second, what references? I am voicing an opinion here, you can not reference an opinion. Third, Wikipedia is in NO WAY affiliated with the CU, we can organize our articles what ever way we want to, it doesn't matter what CU says. Fourth, there are many, many, many University articles that are divided in just this way. I direct you to University of California, Berkeley or just look at the template "University of California, Berkeley" at the bottom, we should strive for the same impressively broad coverage here.
 * What "small, campus, houses, schools and medicine articles" are you talking about? Merging these articles doesn't really improve any of them, and leaves little room for their future expansion of the things that make these campuses unique. A far more constructive outlet would be to expand the articles in their current state.
 * Finally, you took it upon yourself to merge these articles with no discussion, and in spite of three (now four) well reasoned comments from other editors opposing the merge; this is not the way things are done here. You will need to build a Consensus for this merge. If you would like opinions from other editors you could try asking at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Colorado.--DO11.10 02:46, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

changed redirect
Nothing has been merged, just the redirect changed for UCDHSC to point to Univ. of Colo. Denver. U of C AT denver & UCHSC still have their same pages. just the ucdhsc name change per the regents changes the redirect as to which should be the main article. Moschi (talk) 21:04, 25 November 2007 (UTC)